Giuliani as the GOP presidential nominee would be a dagger in the heart of the conservative movement

(From a thread) | Credit to Spiff for the chart and flashbunny for the grapics

[Jim Robinson]

Giuliani as the GOP presidential nominee would be a dagger in the heart of the conservative movement (and a knife in the back).

The only difference in a Liberal Rudy Giuliani and Liberal Hillary Clinton is the fact of which bathrooms they select to use and there are some who are willing to even question that.

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	SupportsOpposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Roe v. Wade	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

[Doofer]

Surrendering conservative principles to fear is not an option.

Amen. I've had several FReepers tell me that if I go off and support a Conservative third party candidate versus a liberal Republican, that I'm practically a traitor, and that I should just suck it up and "compromise".

The way I see it, if I compromise trade my Conservative beliefs for liberal ones, then I'm no better than any two-bit liberal.

In case you don't know some of those Liberals in FReepers clothing have been zotted in the last couple of days.

[Spiff]

I thought he said recently Roe was bad law?

No. He didn't. And he's had every chance to. He CELEBRATED Roe v. Wade's anniversary every year while Mayor with an official proclamation SUPPORTING it. He received accolades as a "Champion of Choice" from NARAL.

[Carry_Okie]

Giuliani campaign policy director Bill Simon Jr. emphasized Giuliani's preference for "strict-constructionist judges" in a letter to the editor of the National Review.

Although I wish he'd been elected, Bill Simon showed absolutely zero political acumen in his run for Governor of California. He was totally a credulous neophyte. He was backstabbed by the very RINOs he is serving in supporting Rudy, which he does out of loyalty for their association at the DOJ. Simon's support is therefore no indication of Rudy's conservative credentials.

[GovernmentShrinker]

Having some friends who turn out to be dishonest doesn’t make you dishonest.

As for the squeegee men, a lot of them were threatening and a few carried out threats. Intimidating motorists while they’re stuck in traffic at stop lights, by approaching and touching their cars without permission or invitation, is not something that should be tolerated. It’s not something that’s safe for city drivers to get accustomed to.

[GovernmentShrinker]

I agree. I urgently want to see him “get it” on the Second Amendment (and I think he actually might make a lot of progress on that point), and I wish he wasn’t as comfortable with wealth redistribution programs and illegal aliens as he is, but I suspect he’ll turn out to be the best ELECTABLE candidate we’ve got. If people want to worship the unelectable ones for philosophical reasons, fine, but when it comes time to vote, the point is to elect the best possible candidate. Pouting about how none of the candidates meet your high standards doesn’t help anything.

[NapkinUser]

Great stuff. Credit to Spiff for the chart and someone (flashbunny?) for putting this together.

[Jim Robinson]

" but because he is one of us "

Only if you're an abortionist, cross-dressing, gun grabbing liberal.

Is your post a sick joke or what? Surely, you're not that stoopid.

[Jim Robinson]

Thanks. I wasn’t sure.

[tkathy]

“Rudy drove libs crazy when he was mayor.”

My brother lived in NY before and during the Rudy years. He’s in awe of what Rudy accomplished.

Rudy is a doer, not an ideologue who does nothing themselves but whine and blame others and try to destroy Republicans.

The big thinkinkers’ effort to destroy Republican senators in 2006 gave us the mess in the senate now.

[WildcatClan]

I disagree with Rudy on many points, but rather than speak ill of Rudy, I had much rather tell everyone what a great choice Duncan Hunter is :) I know, I know he can’t possibly win, can’t beat the pantsuit or the empty suit, heard it all before.
Rudy is on top now for no other reason imo than marketing and name recognition, and if that is what we have been reduced to, the hell with it all, anyway. I would also remind everyone about the exit polls in the last elction for POTUS and how Senator Lurch was already being anointed King. The immigration issue is being overlooked and the candidate who takes up a strong position is going to be formidable, and if the pantsuit feigns a strong position on immigration before other candidates, prepare for the shrillest 4 years on record.
Also in reference to states like Ohio, Michigan, NJ; If you think those watching the manufacturing jobs there go adios won’t gravitate towards Hunter and his fair trade, return jobs to the USA position, you may have another think coming.

[Lurker]

Having some friends who turn out to be dishonest doesn’t make you dishonest.

Maybe not. But hiring them for important high profile jobs makes you stupid.

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[NRA2BFree]

LOLOLOL! THAT has to be one of the most hilarious posts I've ever read on FR. I'm one of those who was wiping the tears away as I read it. You really outdid yourself, FRiend. ;o)

[GovernmentShrinker]

New Yorkers lived through 4 years of Mayor David Dinkins, before Giuliani narrowly defeated him the second time the two ran against each other. Compared to Dinkins, Giuliani looks like an arch-conservative, and he did an impressive job of improving NYC on the heels of Dinkins’ disastrous muddle-headed criminal-friendly socialist administration. That’s what’s at the root of a lot of the Giuliani support from New Yorkers. He’s far from ideal, but a lot of New Yorkers remember how narrowly Dinkins defeated Giuliani in their first head-to-head, and realize that the disaster of the Dinkins years could probably have been completely avoided, but for a small contingent of “conservatives” either voting for third party candidates or staying home. I’m not particularly interested in stumping for Rudy at the primary level, but if I’m faced with a Rudy or Hillary choice in the general election, picking Rudy is a no-brainer.

[kenth]

Good work gentlemen.

And thank you Jim for starting to put a handle on this ridiculous business of conservative being a dirty word amongst some.

[Lurker]

It's not really that I'm so gosh darned clever, although I'll hasten to add that I am, it's just that AZR made it so gosh darned easy.

Best,

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[Rastus]

I saw this guy while playing a game called Land of the Dead. Is it just me, or is he the spitting image?



I call him "Rudy Giulizombie."

[monkapotamus]

You're right.

[NRA2BFree]

It's not really that I'm so gosh darned clever, although I'll hasten to add that I am, it's just that AZR made it so gosh darned easy.

Don't sell yourself short. That was great! In fact, it was pretty doggoned clever. I was laying here almost asleep, until I started reading what you wrote, and I got to laughing so hard it really woke up. Now, I'll probably be awake for a long time.....giggling about what you said. LOL I know better than to go on FR when I go to bed. This is what usually happens and then I can't get to sleep. ;o)

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

You really, really do not get it.

The evidence of Rudy's liberalism is sitting right there in front of you like a centerfold spread.

[Lurker]

You have my apologies for being responsible for your sleepless night.

But then I've been responsible for many a lovely ladys sleepless night....

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