Ammo From E-Bay? (ABC News Doesn't Know "Clip" From "Ammo." Accuses E-Bay of Selling Ammo Online!)

ABC News ^ | CHRISTOPHER FRANCESCANI and JAY SHAYLOR

[MindBender26]

April 21, 2007 — In the months before his shooting spree at Virginia Tech, Seung-Hui Cho purchased two ammunition clips through the online auction site eBay, ABCNews has learned.

An eBay spokesman confirmed the sale to the Associated Press late today after separate investigations by ABCNews and the Associated Press uncovered the existence of Cho's auction account.

"It's apparent that he purchased the empty magazine clips," eBay spokesman Hani Durzy told the AP. "They're similar to what could be purchased in any sporting goods store around the country."

Cho apparently purchased a two-pack of 10-round ammunition clips for a Walther P22 on March 22, 2007, less than a month before killing 32 people and himself at Virginia Tech. The ammunition was purchased on eBay from Elk Ridge Shooting Supplies. Police have said Cho used a Walther P22 during his bloody rampage Monday.

In addition to purchasing ammunition online, Cho appears to have sold used copies of books filled with violent themes and overtones on an eBay affiliated Web site called half.com.

[MindBender26]

Even after E-Bay clearly told ABC the purchases were of "empty magazine clips,” these reporters from ABC's "Law and Justice Unit" accuse E-Bay of illegally selling ammunition online!

Ammunition is a bullet, a cartridge case, a primer and some powder combined into a "round' of ammunition ready to be fired. A "magazine" or "clip" is what a "round of ammunition" is loaded into.

That mistake is the same as confusing a gas tank for 20 gallons of gasoline or an empty airliner for 300 passengers!

Sales of ammunition online is very illegal.

The sale of "magazines" or "clips" is perfectly legal, routine and unremarkable.

This is simply another case of unqualified reporters taking their own prejudice and complete lack of knowledge, and lying to 300,000,000 Americans about an important story.

And they wonder why MSM is losing viewers so quickly...

[Gorzaloon]

Ammo From E-Bay? (ABC News Doesn't Know "Clip" From "Ammo." Accuses E-Bay of Selling Ammo Online!)

They know.

Socialists Lie™ .

[Perdogg]

We were also told that he used high capacity magazines that were banned under the assault weapons ban act of 1993.

[Eagles6]

Actually, it is perfectly legal to by ammunition online and have it shipped to your home by a carrier.

[MindBender26]

I saw a report that he had the 33 round mags in his Glock.

Glock makes them for their fully automatic “machine pistols.”

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[TheBethsterNH]

The AP and FOX made this mistake too but fixed it...i wonder if they sleep at the wheel at ABC because they have not corrected their error. Then we have to wonder how many stories they inaccurately report, don’t we?

[FoxInSocks]

It's my understanding that a clip is used to insert a strip of rounds into a magazine.

Handgun ammunition is usually sold by the box.

[MindBender26]

>>>Actually, it is perfectly legal to by ammunition online and have it shipped to your home by a carrier.

You are right. I forgot that. However E-bay bans such sales totally.

Idiots still didn’t know difference!

[03A3]

Sales of ammunition online is very illegal.

Since when has buying ammo online been illegal?

[ArtyFO]

O’donnell on the Mclaughlin Group this morning, was similarly stupid about guns, saying that Cho was spraying bullets like a machine gun with his semi-AUTOMATIC pistols. He was apparently unaware that semi-automatics have one trigger pull per shot.

[eastforker]

Sales of ammunition online is very illegal..........Sorry but , no, sale of ammo online is not illegal!

[TheBethsterNH]

24 hours ABC touts this without retracting/correcting their info like the other networks did...pretty sad

[holymoly]

A "magazine" or "clip" is what a "round of ammunition" is loaded into.

Correct, to a point.

Clips and Magazines A "clip" and a "magazine" are not the same. "Clips" and "magazines" do not serve the same purpose. A "clip" is a device used to load cartridges into a magazine.* A "magazine" is a device which feeds cartridges into a firearm. *Exceptions include "full moon" and "half moon" clips used by some revolvers.
	To the left is an image of an "en-bloc" clip. This particular type of en-bloc clip is used to load cartridges into the magazine of the M1 Garand .30 Caliber rifle. The clip pictured holds eight rounds (two stacks of four).
	Here we see an M1 Garand being loaded. The en-bloc clip, holding the cartridges, is inserted into the magazine. After the last round is fired, the en-bloc clip is ejected from the magazine. Note: The Garands' magazine cannot be loaded without the use of an en-bloc clip.
	Here we see what are commonly referred to as "stripper" clips. The clips in this image are (most often) used to load the SKS Carbine.
	The SKS "stripper" clip fits into a slot in the face of the SKS bolt carrier. The rounds are pushed downward into the magazine, stripping them from the clip (hence the term "stripper" clip). After the rounds have been inserted into the magazine, the clip is removed. The bolt carrier handle is then pulled fully to the rear and released, chambering a round. Note: The SKS magazine can also be loaded using individual rounds.
	The image to the left is of a 30-round detachable magazine for the AK-47  assault rifle. It can also be used in civilian (semi-automatic only) AK-47 look-alikes, such as the WASR-10. As you can see, it bears no resemblence to a clip. This magazine uses a spring loaded follower, to feed cartridges into the firearm.
	The device to the left (two views) is often referred to as a "magazine loader" or "clip guide". This particular device allows the AK-47s' detachable magazines to be loaded via SKS stripper clips. The "magazine loader" fits on/over the top of the magazine. The SKS stripper clip fits into the guide slot (the thin part which protrudes from the top of the magazine loader). The rounds are then pushed downward, loading the magazine.
	Here we see two images of stripper clips for the Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE). The British refer to these clips as "chargers". Note:  The SMLE was issued with a single detachable 10-round box magazine. The magazine was to be removed for cleaning purposes only. Loading of the magazine can be done with individual rounds, and/or through the use of five-round "chargers", seen here. The SMLE "charger" is used in a manner very similar to the SKS stripper clip. With the bolt open, the SMLE "charger" is placed in a slot in the rifles' receiver. The rounds are then pushed downward, "charging" the magazine. After the rounds have been stripped from the "charger" (clip), it is removed.
	To the left are stripper clips (top) and a detachable magazine (bottom) for the M1 .30 Carbine. In the top image, the straight devices are the clips (front and back views). The flared device to the right is a clip guide. The function of the M1 Carbine clip guide is very similar to that of the AK-47 magazine loader. The wide end of the M1 Carbine clip guide slides onto the M1 Carbine magazine (mating with the grooves towards the back of the magazine). The .30 Carbine stripper clip, holding ten rounds, is inserted into the narrow end of the clip guide. The rounds are then pushed downward, into the magazine.

(From my Freeper homepage)

[MindBender26]

Clip in military terms is exactly as you described.

In generic civilian terms, “clip” is often used as synonymous for “magazine,” just as “gun” is incorrectly used to described a firearm with a rifled barrel.

[SHOOT THE MOON bat]

What can we expect. This is the same network that told us that VP Cheney shot a lawyer in the face with buck shot.

[Perdogg]

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070417-115358-5376r.htm

“High-capacity ammo clips became widely available for sale when Congress failed to renew a law that banned assault weapons,” began the ABC story, which cited the “expert” opinion of Paul Helmke of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence: “When you have a weapon that can shoot off 20, 30 rounds very quickly, you’re going to have a lot more injuries.”

At the time of that report, there was no information about the weapons Cho Seung-hui used to kill his victims before committing suicide. Since then, law enforcement officials have said the mass murderer used two pistols (reportedly a 9 mm Glock and a .22-caliber Walther), but there was nothing to suggest that large-capacity magazines were involved in the crime.”

[MindBender26]

Plz see # 14

[Tinian]

Got ant pictures of M1 thumb?

[MindBender26]

example of use of “clip”

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/BoltAction22/980s-cf.aspx

[umgud]

These are clips, with and without ammo