I agree with you Rob. And I'm really turned off by it. And I love this forum. Many of the best friends in the world are on this forum. I met my husband here. Perhaps I am not associated with the most serious political muscle on the forum; I post Hobbit Hole threads and ping articles about dogs and horses. But I've been a monthly donor and frequent poster here for years, and I've worked with others here to support our troops, not just with words, but with lots of money and time.
Right now though, I don't care which Republican candidate wins the nomination. I just don't want to be associated with the nastiness that has become this forum lately. I LOVE good debate. But this isn't good debate about the issues, this is childish name calling against pretty decent people. Not on my free time. When I post about the issues, I try to debate cleanly and fairly and there's not been much of that to be found on campaign threads of late.
Those who are most pleased with how this thread is going are the types I least want to be associated with. The Admin Moderator and owner of this site is/are now posting things like "Shutup Asshole" and "Up yours asswipe". That sort of language used to be not allowed here, those kind of posts would have been pulled as inappropriate. Now they have a cheering section.
Blech.
Where is the mature, civilized, intelligent political debate going to be for this election? It's not been happening here. And that's too bad.
Good points. Pray for Free Republic.
It is a sickening thing to watch the toadies and the foul-mouthed sycophantic bullies be put in charge. I hope Jim likes his new tone because it is going to be tough to clean up.
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Right now though, I don't care which Republican candidate wins the nomination. I just don't want to be associated with the nastiness that has become this forum lately. I LOVE good debate. But this isn't good debate about the issues, this is childish name calling against pretty decent people. Not on my free time. When I post about the issues, I try to debate cleanly and fairly and there's not been much of that to be found on campaign threads of late.
Those who are most pleased with how this thread is going are the types I least want to be associated with. The Admin Moderator and owner of this site is/are now posting things like "Shutup Asshole" and "Up yours asswipe". That sort of language used to be not allowed here, those kind of posts would have been pulled as inappropriate. Now they have a cheering section.
Blech.
Where is the mature, civilized, intelligent political debate going to be for this election? It's not been happening here. And that's too bad.
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Of course, for daring to be reasoned, you'll be labeled a "treasonous liberal", or some such tripe.
A small group of avid Rudy Giuliani fans flooded the forum with countless threads. It seemed every time Rudy flatulated, I was being pinged...until I had to say 'uncle'.
While Rudy has the popularity (at this moment anyway)...to possibly win the nomination, JR slapped us..."SNAP OUT OF IT!"...just like Cher did to Nicholas Cage in Moonstruck.
I think you can agree...Rudy doesn't speak for conservative values in any way shape or form.
In our zealousness to not experience the Clintons moving back into the WhiteHouse, many of us needed to be reminded that winning the election and beating Hillary is tantamont to taking thirty pieces of silver to sell out our principles.
While we still have time, we can keep the GOP from being hijacked by liberals.
Bravo, HairOfTheDog, and “ditto” too.
Probably time to move the horses and hobbits to greener pasture. The Phelps gang will shoot if you waste too much bandwidth on their reduced budget.
Very well stated. I am adding my voice to yours. Thank you
I’m not cheering.
At least every other thread on this board has been a lot less nasty.
I will agree that the tone on this thread has been “hard core” recently, at best. But I don’t think this started with the conservative wing of this conservative site. For months now, literally, many of these Giuliani supporters have embraced this “we are the Borg” attitude, convinced that without Rudy, the Hildabeast was assured her coronation in Jan 2009. No amount of reasoning, no amount of factual information, would convince them otherwise.
I’ve seen this monster take over posters who I, at least, thought were staunchly pro-life and solidly conservative.
But, apparently, their moral and philosophical principles were compromised by what they perceived to be the pragmatic way out. Rather than having the courage of standing toward their conservative principles, they allowed fear of the Hildabeast to rule their minds. (at least IMHO) This comment only refers to the (formerly) conservative people...a subset of those who were posting.
I know that a number of people, myself included, tried to make these people aware that they’d thrown their support to a solidly non-conservative candidate. I, for one, granted them that after the primary season, the situation might reveal itself better. I, for one, attempted to reason with them...saying that if he came out on top after the primaries, then would be the time to support him, but to try to work to get a CONSERVATIVE nominated until that time.
The funny part about it is that never ONCE did I get even a grudging acknowledgment from a single person with whom I attempted to reason. Not one. I was accused of being a Hillary supporter (barf), I was accused of trying to undermine the GOP, I was accused of worse. No bad language on my part. No foul innuendo. Just for pointing out the FACTS about Mr. Giuliani.
Again, I have nothing against political debate. As long as it is truly debate. Jimrob didn’t start this war, though. Although it is quite apparent that he intends to finish it. So be it.
As most know, I am a Catholic. If I walk into a Baptist Church, I know to be polite. I don’t have to compromise my principles to do so, but it would be extremely poor form for me to start splashing holy water everywhere, pull out my Rosary and start repeating Hail Mary, get a piece of incense and burn it, and so on. Likewise, it would be rude for a Calvinist to walk into a Catholic cathedral and start loudly muttering comments about the whore of Babylon and attempt to smash the statues. I live in Maryland...one of the most solidly “blue” states out there. I, likewise, would not go to Takoma Park (one of the bluest parts of MD) and start screaming epithets about Klinton and the Blue Dress. (I would not, and have not, hesitated to engage in polite, reasoned political discussion...when those socialists manage to attempt to have a cohesive thought...but that’s another discussion)
Well, this is a conservative site. I am sure that a person who is a moderate or left-winger would not be zotted merely for the fact that they hold a particular viewpoint. But they’d better recognize that this ain’t their church and act respectfully and intelligently while they are visiting. Calling conservatives idiots on this, the premier conservative website, is simply not the way to win friends and influence people.
Bug zapping? I, for one, think it’s about time. If, for no other reason, to clear out the Borg so that we can get to some real discussion and, perhaps, help save this country from itself!
(And, btw, you can count me in as a monthly donor type now too...)
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