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SON OF A BITCH [EXCLUSIVE: Grandad's anger at uni (VT) murderer] thread 2
Mirror Co.uk ^ | 20/04/2007 | Graham Brough

Posted on 04/20/2007 4:29:22 AM PDT by COUNTrecount

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To: COUNTrecount
A guy who doesn't talk to anyone, with this background, all of these problems, and no money comes to this country and can still get a college education. This really is the land of opportunity.
21 posted on 04/20/2007 5:18:22 AM PDT by motherof 3
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To: Scotswife
There’s something very fishy about this story.

I agree. How was this kid able to get through high school, let alone college? Didn't ANY of his high school teachers ever contact the parents or higher ups?

22 posted on 04/20/2007 5:19:10 AM PDT by New Girl
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To: don-o; SampleMan
don-o, lay off the insults.

The idea that this could be an attempt to avert a backlash against Koreans is based, at least in part, by this BBC article: here. At least some Koreans are expecting Americans to be as harsh to Koreans as Koreans were to Americans after those two children were run over.

23 posted on 04/20/2007 5:20:05 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Moose4

“Somebody on another thread brought up Asperger’s Syndrome. I wonder.”

Asperger’s kids are usually verbal...sometimes extremely so.
They focus on a subject (numbers, historical event, dinasaurs...etc) and can go on and on about, compiling large amounts of info on their pet subject.

My son’s speech therapist also had an Asperger’s girl as a client - 5 yrs. old.
Her thing was birthdays.
You tell her the day and year you were born...she can instantly and accurately tell you what day of the week it was.
She cannot tell you how old you are - but her brain can somehow figure out what day of the week it was, no matter what year it was.


24 posted on 04/20/2007 5:20:46 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: COUNTrecount
"His parents worked and did not have time to look after his condition and didn't give him special treatment.

"They had no time or money to look after his special problem even though they knew he was autistic."

This may be the socialist British press irresponsibly putting words in her mouth (and a "poor immigrant" line that our MSM may eagerly follow) but consider the following:

The parents owned a house in a decent neighborhood.

By  media accounts, they own a dry-cleaning business.

Cho's sister attended Princeton. Even if she did so on a scholarship, there had to be costs picked up by the parents. She also interned with the DOS in Bangkok -- was every single expense paid by the government?

Cho attended, and boarded at, a state university. There's been no mention of a scholarship. Who paid the tuition, the dorm fees, the book fees and the living expenses?

Cho had a decent computer, printer (as evidenced by the "manifesto" exploited by NBC), and digital camera. Who paid for those?

 Between the guns, ammo, rented car, target range practice, etc., Cho spent upwards of  at least $2,000 in planning his rampage. Where did he get the money?

Finally, if Cho's mother was so concerned about his "autism" (it's obvious his problems were far worse than that, but defining psychosis as autism is a far more sympathetic hook, as in "we are all victims," even when we become mass-murderers), why send him away -- it was upwards of a 4-hour drive, and the kid didn't have a car -- to live and study at a public university? I'm sure there were schools closer to home.

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the parents wanted the kid out of the house (out of sight, out of mind), and in so doing foisted a killer on society.

Keep in mind that the general myth in Europe is that, since we don't have (outrageously inefficient) government health care, everyone except the rich in this country goes without it, because no one, particularly the poor, oppressed minorities that Americans inhumanely expect to fend for themselves (sarc) can afford it.


 

25 posted on 04/20/2007 5:21:59 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: motherof 3

I think he probably tested well and since he didn’t really speak to anyone, he wasn’t disruptive in class. The teachers probably just gave him a free pass thinking that he was a Korean national who just didn’t speak good English. His parents probably didn’t do anything as long as he was staying out of trouble and earning good grades. I think the whole thing is very sad.


26 posted on 04/20/2007 5:23:57 AM PDT by New Girl
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To: Scotswife
It’s the tip if the iceberg. The iceberg is the over funded and unaccountable, PC quota-skewed system of education in this country. Now, a lot of scrutiny will come out of this murder of so many innocent young people.

However, I don’t think that much will change because the PC proponents in the U.S. have a excessive, by now- institutionalized and shamefully favored status in the courts and in ‘public opinion’.

27 posted on 04/20/2007 5:24:03 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the solders and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: don-o

....And the whole point of putting in “their sincerity aside” was to allow for them to also be sincere.


28 posted on 04/20/2007 5:25:47 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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At least some Koreans are expecting Americans to be as harsh to Koreans as Koreans were to Americans after those two children were run over.

That's unfortunate, but there will be an interesting lesson for our Korean friends here -- Americans will not react like that.

29 posted on 04/20/2007 5:26:56 AM PDT by proud American in Canada ("We can, and we will prevail.")
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To: proud American in Canada

Agreed that the vast majority of Americans won’t—and that this could actual be good for Korean-American relations when the Koreans see that Americans are not so vindictive, and that their anger is directed at a murdering psychopath, not a South Korean.


30 posted on 04/20/2007 5:28:59 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Also, their sincerity aside, could this be because South Koreans are somewhat expecting or anticipating a backlash against Koreans similar to the spate of anti-Americanism which cropped up in South Korea after two children were accidentally run over by American soldiers?

The absurd thing is, Americans are least likely of all to blame ethnicity in a situation like this, but we are most likely to be called racist.

We know exactly who is responsible for this abominable event...

...the NRA and the gun manufacturers.

</sarcasm>

31 posted on 04/20/2007 5:33:46 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Moose4

Maybe all the teachers were afraid to give him anything less.


32 posted on 04/20/2007 5:36:39 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Search for Folding Project - Join FR Team 36120)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

That was not an insult. Simply a reaction to a tiresome knee jerk reaction.


33 posted on 04/20/2007 5:37:26 AM PDT by don-o (Proudly posting without reading the thread since 1998.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Especially from the Europeans (accusing Americans of being racist) and Latin Americans (who still have a de facto caste system--look at their political leaders and telenovela actors).

comment 30 (on this thread).

34 posted on 04/20/2007 5:45:06 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: dawn53

You said — “I wondered about autism when it was revealed that the kid had never really “talked” to anyone at anytime in his life.”

He had no problem “talking” — when he wanted to. It was simply that he *refused* to do so. His dorm-mates said he could talk when he wanted, but pretty much all the time he never wanted to.

And if you think he was somehow incapable or had some impediment that prevented him from speaking very well — just listen to his video “manifesto”. You can see *immediately* that he has absolutely no problem talking.

Regards,
Star Traveler

P.S. — That doesn’t mean that he did not have a problem talking when he first came to this country. Apparently he did. But, he has gotten past that a long time ago (as far as his “capability” is concerned). However, he may have retained the emotional baggage from that time...


35 posted on 04/20/2007 5:46:06 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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I've known some kids with autism who had no problem speaking...it's just they chose not to.

Here's some info from the Autism Society:

Some individuals mildly affected may exhibit only slight delays in language and greater challenges with social interactions. They may have difficulty initiating and/or maintaining a conversation. Their communication is often described as talking at others instead of to them. (For example, monologue on a favorite subject that continues despite attempts by others to interject comments).

http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_whatis_characteristics

36 posted on 04/20/2007 6:01:03 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: browardchad
You write like you have no idea of how much cash people like these Korean immigrants make by back breaking work 24/7 under self-imposed sweat shop conditions in their self-run small businesses. They are all throughout Fairfax County Virgina elsewhere in America. I lived beside and learned to appreciate the values of several Asian families like Cho’s. When I lived in Fairfax one of my Asian neighbors lived dirt poor and ate rice (and GARLIC cabbage) 3 times a day and not much else- but he had son getting both an MD and JD at University of Virginia, and a daughter who was a grad student in engineering at MIT. He had small kids too and wouldn't’t let them play with mine- they were always too busy studying. Regular school 5 days a week, Chinese school on Saturday.

Everything they make they spend on their kids- they live frugal ascetic lives. IN Fairfax look for the first dry cleaner shops open and the last to close. In Baltimore look forr the first liquor stores open and the last to close. They give EVERYTHING they make to their kids to help them succeed thru education. How does the owner of a dry cleaner shop send his daughter to Princeton? Back-breaking work and saving everything he can scrape up from her birth for the goal. And son to VT? VT like other Virginia state schools are actually bargain tuition for Virginia residents.

I do pity these people because they had a troubled kid who was never diagnosed. It can be emotionally paralyzing to raise a child like this and never have answers and just get up and work every day and go to bed and do it again.

If you have walked this walk with a troubled kid no one could give you answers about, you know what I mean and if you haven’t, you never will. I would not expect this mother and father to have a very long life span after all this.

No reasonable person has any business critiquing how they “paid” for their daughter to go to Princeton or what the daughter does with her life, which in an Asian cultural sense is also ruined now because no one from a “good family” will ever choose to marry her

37 posted on 04/20/2007 6:02:47 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: browardchad
why send him away ...

If you knew the number of totally whacked out kids who are sent away to college you would be shocked.

Parents of really crazy kids get very tired of caring for them. Sending them away allows the parents to pretend to themselves that their kids are better and it's usually cheaper than putting them into an institution. Of course once the kid gets to college he gets into alcohol and other drugs that do not mix well with the prescription meds he is on and he's back in the mental hospital again. Sometimes the parents don't even come to the hospital, they want to distance themselves so much.

38 posted on 04/20/2007 6:20:41 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: dawn53

He didn’t have any problem talking on his self-produced “Triumph of the Will” movies.


39 posted on 04/20/2007 6:34:05 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: silverleaf

“or what the daughter does with her life, which in an Asian cultural sense is also ruined now because no one from a “good family” will ever choose to marry her”

If she’s smart she’ll marry a non-Korean, or a very assimilated Korean.


40 posted on 04/20/2007 6:37:19 AM PDT by fishtank
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