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Significance of 88 from Anti-Defamation League
http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/numbers_88.asp
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On this thread, the Neo-Nazis, there, are commenting on the fact that the press has *not yet* picked up the meaning of “88” or “Revol”
88 Thread (from Stormfront forum, Neo-Nazi forum)
http://tinyurl.com/2bgue3
Some comments from that thread...
“Who saw the fake return address Cho put on the NBC letter? It was a little inside joke Hitler reference, probably as a nod to Columbine and the proximity of the date.”
“Most people of course don’t know what 88 means. Do we really want the media to play the Hitler angle on this one?”
“Thats what I was thinking! Don’t need to give the media ammunition!”
“Good point. At least they’ll have a hard time tying him to White Supremacists like they did by lying about Klebold and Harris.”
“Ismail ax- I think this means “Ax of Ishmael”. You know, Abraham’s bastard child from Hagar. The illigitimate son who spawned the Arabs, Islam, etc...”
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Well, even though the press did say something on the Ismail bit — they have *not* picked up on the *Hitler* reference. But, I suppose, if the press reads FReeprs, they may soon pick up on that...
Regards,
Star Traveler
Wait, let me dig out my tinfoil hat before answering. :P
Sheesh.
Hmmmmmm, maybe that’s why there 88 professors at Duke who signed a public rant against those lacrosse players....eh?
Big talk-radio fan as well...
Oh yeah, that’s it -
He was a Right Wing nutjob.
No - he was not a ‘joiner’. Your speculation just fans the flames and attempts to make a group (substitute ‘Jew’, ‘Korean’, ‘Muslim’, or ‘NRA Member’ for ‘Neo-Nazi’ and you would wind up making way more people angry) responsible somehow for what appears to be (so far) the act of a deranged individual.
People will try to analyze his actions, but that is trying to make sense of ‘insanity’. He is dead. He should have been ‘put down’ immediately, but that did not happen.
Everybody needs to just back off and take a deep breath.
‘88’ could mean a LOT of things. As could Ismael, Ishmael, and any of the ‘messages’ he left (although I am disturbed by his choosing what everybody assumes is a Muslim name as his ‘nom de guerre’).
Who cares. He is dead. It is over. We can avoid this in the future, but analyzing it is not the way. Neither is legislation or regulation.
I feel safer in a room where everybody is armed, as opposed to a ‘gun-free zone’. Always have, always will. Barring that, I feel more comfortable in a place where the sheepdogs are welcome.
Star Traveler- what part of the galaxy are you in at the moment?
Regards,
Carl Lafong
Just heard from Fox &FRiends that he was suspended for a month in middle school for having a hit list.
But that doesn't make Cho anything. Cho was living out delusions in his own sick mind. That he picked up bits and pieces of equally insane ideas -- Isamil, 88, the poses -- and finally the murders, from hither and yon is to be expected. No conspiracy needed.
Cho was too much a loner, too pathologically shy -- to have joined any organization no matter how loony. JMO.
Doesn't that make him a Columbine copy-cat, more than it would make him a neo-Nazi?
Because of your actions the ground you stand on and you that harbor its principles will forever be known (unintelligible word) the world as Holy Ground of Terrorism, Lovers of Terrorism and Sadism, Rapists of Souls, (unintelligible word) Christian Nazis, Apostles of Sin, Crucifiers of the Innocent, Kim-Jong II's of the West, American (unintelligible word) and Osamas of America.
In his own words he called his enemies 'Christian Nazis'. He was basically Anti-American and was trying to inspire a bloody revolution.
Because there are just so many darn Korean neo-nazis don’t ya know.
I think you’re right, “88” is probably for Heil Hitler and “revol” is for revolution. That one is a bit clearer than the “Ishmael/Ismail” reference.
Of course that doesn’t make him a “Neo-Nazi” any more than the fact that he may have picked up on Islamist criticism of the West as “hedonist” and “degenerate” makes him an “Islamofascist.”
Bill Bennett made a good comment last night on Hannity & Colmes - he said something on the lines of, “this kid seemed to grab onto anything and everything that is evil or negative.”
I wonder, after reading his crap and considering his behavioral characteristics over his life, if he wasn’t sexually molested as a child by a teacher, relative or other adult.
Notice that up in the earlier photo pages of his letter to NBC (in one of the few pages of the PDF doc that NBC deigned to share with the citizenry) he singles out for anger Deborah LaFave and John Mark Karr, and seems incensed by them.
In his hedonism rant, he goes on and on about how this or that material possession “wasn’t enough for you” suggesting that whoever the “you” is had gone on to do something truly unspeakable. And then at the crescendo of his rant he says “and the children you f—ked!” Perhaps the “you” in his rant refers to an adult who molested him and adults generally who molest children, and in his twisted mind he is the protector of them, and by committing mass murder he believes he will throw guilt and suffering onto child molesters.
And of course child molestation was a main concern in his play McBeef.
Note that he was not just a shy kid, but pathologically shy and withdrawn, from at least middle school onwards. I gather that one common reaction by sexually abused children is extreme withdrawal, combined with self-loathing which may then manifest itself in anger.
So I agree with Bennett - he has grabbed onto lots of evil stuff, most prominently leftwing class warfare and anti-God thinking (probably pounded into him by moonbat professors), and next being an identification with the Columbine killers (as he was a loser outcast rejected by girls) and also perhaps some symbols, methods and criticisms by islamists and nazis.
And of course, behind it all, just beyond the spiritual divide, stands the father of lies.
It’s possible, maybe likely, that’s what he meant by the 88. It doesn’t mean he had any contact with neo-nazis or neo-nazi groups. Antisocial people take on antisocial trappings — nazi or satanist or vodun or radical Muslim. I wouldn’t read too much into it.
“88” is indeed a shibboleth among neo-nazis — often in the form “88/14.” The “14” is a reference to “the fourteen words,” coined by white supremacist David Lane: “We must secure the existence of our race and a future for white children.” The “fourteen words” are a kind of John 3:16 for bigots.
BTW, something you didn’t mention, perhaps you didn’t see it, but in his NBC pdf doc, he writes in large figures on a half-page, the number “88” and over it, “the number of revolution” or something to that effect IIRC.
In his “manifesto” he had a photo of interlocking 8’s which he called “the number of the anti-terrorist”. MSNBC had it up yesterday so I guess it is still on their site somewhere. I doubt it has any special meaning outside of his deranged head.
or he's a Muslim