Cho's Possible Neo-Nazi Connection (Virginia Tech Shooter)

Anti-Defamation League ^ | April 19, 2007 | Anti-Defamation League

[Star Traveler]

“From Address” on Package sent to NBC from Cho

A. Ismail
88 Revol
Blacksburg, VA

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“88” — used as a greeting or a closing by Neo-Nazis (in e-mails or handles). Means 8th letter of alphabet (”H”); double 8’s mean “Heil Hitler”

“Revol” — revers of “lover”; or could mean “revolution”

Hence “Heil Hitler lover” [Hitler lover]; possible “Heil Hitler revolution”

[Star Traveler]

Have you heard that Cho might have been a Neo-Nazi — or perhaps a Neo-Nazi “in the making”? I don’t think so. I’ve read the news and looked at the television — and haven’t seen that yet. And I haven’t heard the authorities saying it. Yet, he gave the indications of it.

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Significance of 88 from Anti-Defamation League
http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/numbers_88.asp

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On this thread, the Neo-Nazis, there, are commenting on the fact that the press has *not yet* picked up the meaning of “88” or “Revol”

88 Thread (from Stormfront forum, Neo-Nazi forum)
http://tinyurl.com/2bgue3

Some comments from that thread...

“Who saw the fake return address Cho put on the NBC letter? It was a little inside joke Hitler reference, probably as a nod to Columbine and the proximity of the date.”

“Most people of course don’t know what 88 means. Do we really want the media to play the Hitler angle on this one?”

“Thats what I was thinking! Don’t need to give the media ammunition!”

“Good point. At least they’ll have a hard time tying him to White Supremacists like they did by lying about Klebold and Harris.”

“Ismail ax- I think this means “Ax of Ishmael”. You know, Abraham’s bastard child from Hagar. The illigitimate son who spawned the Arabs, Islam, etc...”

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Well, even though the press did say something on the Ismail bit — they have *not* picked up on the *Hitler* reference. But, I suppose, if the press reads FReeprs, they may soon pick up on that...

Regards,
Star Traveler

[Star Traveler]

Links that didn’t go “clickable” —

http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/numbers_88.asp

http://tinyurl.com/2bgue3

[Constantine XI Palaeologus]

Wait, let me dig out my tinfoil hat before answering. :P

[Thrownatbirth]

It's just banality from an overwhelmingly reviled subculture.

73's to all!

[AmericanInTokyo]

I have just GOT to get out my super duper, nifty, cat's pajamas, Cracker Jack/Captain America decoder ring and start to decode this stuff to get the secret answers!

Sheesh.

[AmericanInTokyo]

I hope we can just DEEP 6 this whole thread!!

[MarkT]

Hmmmmmm, maybe that’s why there 88 professors at Duke who signed a public rant against those lacrosse players....eh?

[johnny7]

Big talk-radio fan as well...

[stuned_beeber]

Oh yeah, that’s it -

He was a Right Wing nutjob.

No - he was not a ‘joiner’. Your speculation just fans the flames and attempts to make a group (substitute ‘Jew’, ‘Korean’, ‘Muslim’, or ‘NRA Member’ for ‘Neo-Nazi’ and you would wind up making way more people angry) responsible somehow for what appears to be (so far) the act of a deranged individual.

People will try to analyze his actions, but that is trying to make sense of ‘insanity’. He is dead. He should have been ‘put down’ immediately, but that did not happen.

Everybody needs to just back off and take a deep breath.

‘88’ could mean a LOT of things. As could Ismael, Ishmael, and any of the ‘messages’ he left (although I am disturbed by his choosing what everybody assumes is a Muslim name as his ‘nom de guerre’).

Who cares. He is dead. It is over. We can avoid this in the future, but analyzing it is not the way. Neither is legislation or regulation.

I feel safer in a room where everybody is armed, as opposed to a ‘gun-free zone’. Always have, always will. Barring that, I feel more comfortable in a place where the sheepdogs are welcome.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Sometimes the hardest thing for some people to accept is that which is the simplest:

ONE.......LONE.......NUT

Nothing more. Nothing less.

[Carl LaFong]

Star Traveler- what part of the galaxy are you in at the moment?

Regards,
Carl Lafong

[stuned_beeber]

It makes people feel safer if they think that they can actually spot the ‘bad guy’.

[mware]

Just heard from Fox &FRiends that he was suspended for a month in middle school for having a hit list.

[azhenfud]

Yeah. Like a simple drunk driver who killed a princess.

[bvw]

Your "88" reference sounds very reasonable. Unless there is some real address "88", I would think you are correct with it.

But that doesn't make Cho anything. Cho was living out delusions in his own sick mind. That he picked up bits and pieces of equally insane ideas -- Isamil, 88, the poses -- and finally the murders, from hither and yon is to be expected. No conspiracy needed.

Cho was too much a loner, too pathologically shy -- to have joined any organization no matter how loony. JMO.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

Yeah, he was one lone nut, still he “meant” something with that odd return address. Maybe 88 keys on a piano? He liked Chopin?

[nativist]

Well at least thats what he will be in the movie starring Matt Damon as Cho an Amy Gyllenhall as his estranged girlfriend.

[Fresh Wind]

[nativist]

But that doesn't make Cho anything. Cho was living out delusions in his own sick mind. That he picked up bits and pieces of equally insane ideas -- Isamil, 88, the poses -- and finally the murders, from hither and yon is to be expected. No conspiracy needed.True. Cho also killed mostly whites. Now hate can justify itself nicely combining nazism with islam. Two "religions" where everyone but you is to blame for being an loser. Hence Ismail Ax and 88 revol

[cgbg]

one lone nut

I am a self-confessed conspiracy buff as a rule, but this guy is the real deal--a bona fide kook. :-)