Are you denying the evidence of your lying eyes? 
Posted on 04/20/2007 2:55:42 AM PDT by Star Traveler
Not I. Though it's obvious that his behavior had far more in common with the Columbine perps, than with Hitler.
You said — “It’s possible, maybe likely, that’s what he meant by the 88. It doesn’t mean he had any contact with neo-nazis or neo-nazi groups. Antisocial people take on antisocial trappings — nazi or satanist or vodun or radical Muslim. I wouldn’t read too much into it.”
No, I don’t think he was a member of any of these groups. I just think he took and borrowed from wherever he could find something, to construct for himself, in his imaginary world, a “case” for redressing the wrongs that he perceived had been done to him and to justify the action that he knew he was going to do — which was to kill all those students...
I’m surprised that no one is picking up the hard-core communist theme in the manifesto. “Your Mercedes wasn’t enough; your gold jewelry wasn’t enough.. your trust fund wasn’t enough”. The guy was driven by social class hatred. He is essentially a modern Pol Pot.
This guy was not a Nazi, he was a communist. No secret decoder ring needed.
I know some people are making fun of your observation that this madboy (I won’t call him a madman) absorbed anything negative he could find. He probably picked up garbage from many sources — anti-American moonbats, neoNazis, Islamofascists, etc. Obviously he did not have a coherent world view but he thrived on hate wherever he could find it. A lone nut could pick up a lot of garbage like that and that does not mean he was a member of any group or was involved in some conspiracy. I have long said that if one fills one’s mind with garbage, one will become garbage. It would not surprise me at all that a criminal known for sadism and mass murder would identify with the Nazis.
You said — “BTW, something you didn’t mention, perhaps you didn’t see it, but in his NBC pdf doc, he writes in large figures on a half-page, the number “88” and over it, “the number of revolution” or something to that effect IIRC.”
Oh yeah, now that you mention it, I do remember seeing it. I had forgotten about it. That’s a *second reference* to that number, which then puts this number definitely into the “symbolic category”.
So, then you have to ask yourself, “What does this ‘88’ mean to this guy?”
And that’s basically what I’m trying to bring out here. It’s just that it had some symbolic meaning to him (even if it doesn’t mean anything to us, or even if we can’t understand or “connect” his twisted logic).
Thanks for mentioning it...
You said — “In his “manifesto” he had a photo of interlocking 8’s which he called “the number of the anti-terrorist”. MSNBC had it up yesterday so I guess it is still on their site somewhere. I doubt it has any special meaning outside of his deranged head.”
Someone just pointed that out to me. I had forgotten about that. And yes, it probably means something — only — in his own twisted head...
Don't forget, an English Major. (Simply in the sense that, by the time I was a college senior studying English Lit, I could've written a suicide note that would've had the Web buzzing for years).
Do we really care which side insane people pledge loyalty to? No!
This was a loner looking for a sense of belonging. I'm sure he was fascinated with being a Nazi, a commie or something else at one time or another.
Cho is classic outsider wanting to "fit in". Mental illness turned that outsider into a threat that needed to be dealt with many, many years ago.
What groups he adored or what he proclaims is as irrelevant as asking if Hitler played golf and then painting with a broad brush.
You said — “Was Cho an amateur radio operator?”
“Context” my boy..., don’t forget “context”
Haven’t you heard — “A text without context is just a pretext...”
You’ve just handed us a pretext.
You said — “This guy was not a Nazi, he was a communist. No secret decoder ring needed.”
Actually, to sum it up — he was all, and he was none...
That’s about what it adds up to.
Yes, exactly... He had the hate, he picked up whatever fed his hate, he put it all together (and it was a “mish-mash” of ideas) and that’s why we see symbolism and ideas from several different idealogies...
I think you are right. Years ago, when I was in highschool, there was this big kid (maybe he faild some grades?) who was a sadistic bully. He was infamous for delivering a neoNazi speech in the middle of a class one day and it was rumored that he carried a knife (not a pocket knife). All of us students were afraid of him and I think the adults were afraid of him, too. Once he hit me as we were passing in the hallway. I complained but as far as I know the school did not do anything. He was in school that one year but not the next so maybe the school let him pass whatever grade he was in and then quietly got rid of him. But yes, I think "kids" who are bullies and sadists tend to gravitate to that neo Nazi crap, based on my experience with that one bully. I am not saying he was as crazy as this killer but he sure was a bully who enjoyed violence at least to some level.
Irony is lost on some posts.
or he's a Muslim
No that’s not right. It’s “In My Merry Oldsmobile”, and Cho seems to have been a brooding, morose individual.
Searching for a logical cause of this event is futile.
The guy was dangerously insane, and people knew it for years.
If there is a logical cause, it is political correctness, which prevented him from being dealt with before he acted out.
Are you denying the evidence of your lying eyes?
An Asian (NON-WHITE) in with the neo-nazis? That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard all day.
You said — “That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard all day.”
That’s because he was one mixed up nutjob. With him, if it doesn’t make sense, then it makes sense...
Well, I’ve got an explanation that solves all of it...
He’s all of the above and none of the above. That explains him the best.
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