Heads Must Roll At Virginia Tech ...(assumed domestic violence ???)

Peace and Freedom ^ | April 17, 2007 | John E. Carey

[laotzu]

5 minutes after the 1st shot at 7am

According to your article, the first inkling campus police had of a crime was not a shot, but the finding of two dead bodies.

[ClaireSolt]

It is unseemly how media types try to get attention for themselves by recasting this event from a tragic crime to an administrative scandal of which they will dictate the story line. Also the guillotine image of bloody heads rolling is disgusting in this context.

[betsyross1776]

I agree with you . I feel the same way. when anything like this occurs on campus , anything at all inconvenience the students , please be safe then sorry.

[Badeye]

I couldn’t disagree more with this knee jerk reaction contained in the article.

Its this kind of mindset that leads to false assertions of guilty, or innocence.

See the Duke rape case.

Lets sit back and see what comes out, there is a ton of bad information floating around right now, as is always the case after something like this.

[laotzu]

I hope we have learned where we went wrong.

Where did we go wrong?

[Minutemen]

Two dead is a quiet day

In their twisted way of thinking.

[tutstar]

I sure hope Homeland Security, the CIA, and FBI don’t have this attitude.

[betsyross1776]

It might be disturbing to you the choice of words , but this is the real world. Some one has to stand responsibility for the second shooting and no lock down occurred.After the first shooting the kids should have been locked down in a secure room with the door barricaded with the kids against the wall so he could not see them through the door.Think safety, maybe if heads do roll maybe this will not happen again. We lost 33 fine educated people who would have been productive in society. Like it or not drills have to be done to try and prevent this from happening again.Kids now have to learn when they go to college how to protect themselves. Like it or not this is not the cumbaya era.If it happened to a member of my family believe me heads would roll.

[familyop]

" It is relevant to my criticism of this insipid, and insulting article."

I must admit that I did not follow the link to read the whole thing. The mention of the DV assumption and lack of follow-through did stand out, though.

[Minutemen]

How would you have secured VT?

Send e-mail alerts to the student body?

[betsyross1776]

No locking down after the first crime. ABC just reported he had time to go back to his own dorm room and reload.The gunman locked the doors, where were the cameras? Look there was not enough protection on campus for these kids. Face it ,we as citizens failed these kids not demanding security on campus not even after 911. Face it we went wrong. All of us did.

[wtc911]

What indication did they have these two weren't murdered the night before?

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Witnesses, body temps, blood viscosity perhaps.

[IrishMike]

Initial reports on FNS was one dead and one wounded.
Doesn’t look like the wounded person made it.

[Mr. K]

Are you serious? Lock down an area the size of a small city for what was (at the time) a single homiced investigation?

Not to mention that it JUST HAPPENED and they were still investigating the single shooting when the second shootings started...

How much ESP do you think the police have? You might just have well insisted they lock everyone down before the first shooting -just in case

[verity]

"If my kids name was killed in the classroom after 9 A.M. I am one angry parent."

What?

[IrishMike]

No locking down after the first crime. ABC just reported he had time to go back to his own dorm room and reload.The gunman locked the doors, where were the cameras?
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Drudge is reporting the guy had time to write a note, in addition to what you described.

[Attention Surplus Disorder]

Time to blame someone. That will prevent the tragedy from recurring. Next time we’ll know what to do. Right.

[American_Centurion]

The authority apologists on this thread make me sick!

IMO, if you want to be an authority, a chief of police, a president, then you have to be fully prepared to take it in the shorts when poor information and poor decisions create a situation where 32 students are murdered.

I can hear the replies now, “No one would take the job”, yada, yada. Same BS they spew every time. Those jobs are supposed to be tough, and we have taken it light on their failures for years. If you want folks with the highest possible standards having authority, then you have to freaking demand that they are of the highest standards. Nothing less.

[familyop]

To rephrase my reply about relevance and time of death, they should not have concluded security on-site with the domestic violence assumption. But then more agencies today are more apt to investigate and/or clean up and not so inclined toward security.

And there is also the possibility that two unrelated incidents occurred. ...seems remote, but anything’s possible.

[betsyross1776]

I will give you an example . Walmart has security cameras. When a child is missing they go over the loud speaker ,say a certain code and lock the doors to the store until the child is found, and returned to the mother. It works, if security cameras were in place, somebody would have been monitoring the camera and said what is this guy doing. Code could be given to teachers to lock the doors and tell the students against the wall or down on the floor.If drills like that could be done for nuclear attacks simulated in the 50s why no drills today. After yesterday we should demand them.In the fifties we used to them once a month. We had no war of course , but we aired on the side of caution.