Posted on 04/17/2007 5:21:32 AM PDT by IrishMike
The entire nation will now collectively mourn one of the great tragedies one can endure: the death of so many of our children.
But a detailed analysis of the facts will also be ongoing. There are many questions from all observers.
It just seems to me, when law enforcement finds two dead bodies on a sleepy university campus in the 7 A.M. hour: they immediately should slam the “Red Alert” button. Yesterday there were some lame remarks about getting out an email (two hours late) and that there wasn’t time to get the word to both lock down the campus and stop the influx of tens of thousands of commuters.
They don’t have radio and TV in Blacksburg, Virginia? If at 7 A.M. a tornado was announced heading for that campus, what would have happen? How about a snowstorm? We had high winds in Washington D.C. this week and the schools were closed three hours early. It was on every radio and TV station in seconds. With that huge force of law enforcement, a good police commander could have closed every road into that campus in no time.
They got radios, cars and flashing lights, don’t they?
Did anyone notice that a bunch of those law enforcement offers were, ahem, chubby?
Law enforcement at Virginia Tech didn’t save one life. They didn’t waste one bullet doing it either. Somebody should be ashamed: law enforcement didn’t fire a shot. The only shooter on that campus got tired after all the mayhem he made.
If my kids name was killed in the classroom after 9 A.M. I am one angry parent.
When is the last time law enforcement found two dead students, murdered students, on that campus during the 7 A.M. hour?
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When people are found shot to death, especially in a school environment, that should be more than enough cause for alarm.
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As I understand it, the question is not whether people were alarmed.
The question is whether persons in charge could have done something to prevent the second crime.
So far, all of the suggestions I have seen would only have scattered the cops all over the place and thus diluted their ability to do their real job, which is to identify and pursue the murderer, and without any benefit to anyone.
That guy was going to kill all he could. If not where he did, somewhere else.
ASSuME makes an ASS out of U and ME
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Lets see, two people are shot to death in a school, lack of gun at the scene met no murder suicide, meaning the murderer was on the loose, with a gun.
There should have been a an immediate, massive police presence at that school.
> There should have been a an immediate, massive police
> presence at that school.
Even without that, there should have been a warning to the campus community that murder had been committed and the killer was not apprehended, along with the usual boilerplate about vigilance concerning suspicious activity, etc, etc. And it shouldn’t just have been an e-mail 2 hours later.
After the initial shooting, the school should have been swarming with law enforcement within 15 minutes or so.
NEVER ASSUME, IT MAES AN A$$ OUT OF U AND ME.
NEVER ASSUME, IT MAES AN A$$ OUT OF U AND ME.
NEVER ASSUME, IT MAES AN A$$ OUT OF U AND ME.
> After the initial shooting, the school should have been
> swarming with law enforcement within 15 minutes or so.
A swarm is a relative term. I thought I heard there were 8 cruisers responding to investigate the first shooting, though maybe my memory is faulty. That’s a lot of cops. If you’re not in a metropolitan area, that might, in fact, be all of them.
There are good points made that there was no way to know whether the shooter was still on campus. Setting 100 police to beating the bushes for a suspect who might be in Washington DC would clearly be a waste of public resources.
Setting all available police to be on the lookout for a possibly armed and dangerous fugitive and effectively and promptly notifying the population that there had been a murder and the suspect was at large would be a reasonable response (imo).
Even more reason there should have been an immediate, massive police response. This was a double murder, in a school, with the murderer still on the loose.
Setting all available police to be on the lookout for a possibly armed and dangerous fugitive and effectively and promptly notifying the population that there had been a murder and the suspect was at large would be a reasonable response
And what description would they have used, since his ID was not known until much later?
> Even more reason there should have been an immediate,
> massive police response.
Maybe you know more about the VT area than I do. In my neck of the woods eight police cars IS a massive police response. Anything more and you’d have to call out the National Guard.
>> Setting all available police to be on the lookout for a
>> possibly armed and dangerous fugitive and effectively
>> and promptly notifying the population that there had
>> been a murder and the suspect was at large would be a
>> reasonable response
>
> And what description would they have used, since his ID
> was not known until much later?
Unknown suspect in double murder. Presumed armed and dangerous. May still be in the area. Be alert for suspicious activity. If you see anything suspicious, do not intervene but contact authorities at ... More information coming as it is developed.
Broadcast on campus radio. Posted on every university server. Auto-dialed to every campus phone. And e-mailed.
Unknown suspect in double murder. Presumed armed and dangerous. May still be in the area. Be alert for suspicious activity. If you see anything suspicious, do not intervene but contact authorities at ...
So instead of a massive, immediate police response to a double murder, in a school, where the murderer could very well still be, (and was) you suggest they just put out a "be on the lookout" with no description of a suspect?
Seems to me they should have immediately called for any available help, locked down that facility, no one comes or goes, locate any possible witnesses, and start a building to building search to look for more possible victims, bodies etc.
A double murder in a school setting, with no suspect, should have brought about immediate response and all available resources.
So how many people would be required to watch all of the door to all of the rooms in all of the dorms and classrooms on a 2600 acre university? Your emotionalism has gotten ahead of your reason.
The fact is if the cameras were at the doors the people watching them would have said what is this guy up to and checked it out
You have something to back up your "fact"? Please provide a cite. Somehow I don't think someone watching a door camera is going to pick up someone who hasn't revealed their intent and weaponry when passing through the doors before attacking persons in their room, but perhaps you have better knowledge.
Sorry, increasing the police state with cameras everywhere hasn't increased the safety of the citizens... just look at Great Britain where there are cameras everywhere, and it hasn't helped.
There should have been a an immediate, massive police presence at that school.
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What is the population of your home town?
Are you are suggesting the school is too big to search for an armed double murderer, witnesses, or other possible victims or bodies?
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What do they look for?
First, the cops have to determine who did it and what he looks like.
Putting all cops out in the bushes means resources are in the bushes instead of investigating the crime scene.
Remember that there are only something like 74 cops (I read that in one of the stories, but I don’t know how accurate that is). If 74 is the total number, half or maybe 40% are night shift or for some other reason are required to be elsewhere.
So say they had a total of 35 cops available.
How many to seal off the crime scene? A building large enough to house 900 students is going to require a lot of cops just to secure it. At least a dozen. Maybe 20. How many to make their massive presence known? We are now down to 18 cops, some of whom must do the investigation. How many would you put out in a 2,600 acre area with 100 buildings and 26,000 people?
If you used all of them and left no one to investigate, you would have one cop per 144 acres and roughly 5.5 buildings. Some of those buildings house hundreds of people. I have heard as high as 900 people in one dorm. Since we are supposing, lets suppose that those buildings average 500 people per building. Each cop would be expected to watch 2,500 people
And at this point, they have no idea whether they are looking for a white, black, Asian, resident, intruder....but everyone is supposed to feel good about it.
Much better for the cops to do their primary job and determine who did it, what he looks like and where he lives.
“Massive” police presence does not catch even serial killers, whose MO is well known from past events.
They are rarely caught until their identity is known. That is not determined during mindless wandering in the bushes.
> Seems to me they should have immediately called for any
> available help, locked down that facility, no one comes
> or goes, locate any possible witnesses, and start a
> building to building search to look for more possible
> victims, bodies etc.
Everytime there’s a murder without an immediate arrest on a 12,000 student, 2600 acre college campus?
Wow.
I’m glad you’re not in charge, then.
>> Setting all available police to be on the lookout for a
>> possibly armed and dangerous fugitive and effectively
>> and promptly notifying the population that there had
>> been a murder and the suspect was at large would be a
>> reasonable response (imo).
>
> What do they look for?
Same thing they look for when they’re normally on patrol. Suspicious and unlawful activity, but with a heightened awareness that there may be an armed and dangerous fugitive in the area.
I’m not suggesting they take all the police and “beat the bushes”. I’m saying that the university cops from maybe some townies who weren’t immediately needed at the murder scene maybe would have made one less circle by the donut shop or down to the high school to try and bust kids for smoking and an extra one through the college campus.
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