Posted on 04/17/2007 5:21:32 AM PDT by IrishMike
The entire nation will now collectively mourn one of the great tragedies one can endure: the death of so many of our children.
But a detailed analysis of the facts will also be ongoing. There are many questions from all observers.
It just seems to me, when law enforcement finds two dead bodies on a sleepy university campus in the 7 A.M. hour: they immediately should slam the “Red Alert” button. Yesterday there were some lame remarks about getting out an email (two hours late) and that there wasn’t time to get the word to both lock down the campus and stop the influx of tens of thousands of commuters.
They don’t have radio and TV in Blacksburg, Virginia? If at 7 A.M. a tornado was announced heading for that campus, what would have happen? How about a snowstorm? We had high winds in Washington D.C. this week and the schools were closed three hours early. It was on every radio and TV station in seconds. With that huge force of law enforcement, a good police commander could have closed every road into that campus in no time.
They got radios, cars and flashing lights, don’t they?
Did anyone notice that a bunch of those law enforcement offers were, ahem, chubby?
Law enforcement at Virginia Tech didn’t save one life. They didn’t waste one bullet doing it either. Somebody should be ashamed: law enforcement didn’t fire a shot. The only shooter on that campus got tired after all the mayhem he made.
If my kids name was killed in the classroom after 9 A.M. I am one angry parent.
When is the last time law enforcement found two dead students, murdered students, on that campus during the 7 A.M. hour?
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This is sickening. From all accounts, the original shooting WAS a 'domestic dispute', and the police officers arriving on the scene had absolutely NO idea that the gunman was going to do what he did. In the experience of most police officers, domestic disputes don't usually end up in mass murder.
Freshman dormatories don’t have (or shouldn’t have) “domestic disputes”, unless you have a buncha’ gay guys ~
Reacted and adjusted,
didn’t sit waiting for the rain to stop.
Didn’t work as planned, but the plan worked.
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In post after post, you and others have hurt the feelings of everyone connected with the crime at VT. You have said mean things about all of them.
If we are going to play the “he should have known” and “it is all his fault for not preventing it”, then tell me why either you or your son should be immune from the same he should have known blame game?
He is so smart he should have known.
The point you seem to miss is that no one could possibly have known, any more than your son should have known, that they had a mad man in their midst.
As someone else said, in almost 100% of the murders, just not quite 100%, the criminal kills the person or persons he wants and then hits the road.
If your son is a cop, you should be the first to know that he can not predict what the criminal will do next.
My keeping my eyes open is a different matter. Certainly that helps to keep me from being a victim. But it only helps. There are many instances that are totally unpreventable. If you happen to be in a bank on a bad day, or in one of those quick stop stores on a bad day, you are in the middle of it whether you want to be or not.
Don’t play the blame game. It will come back on you and your son for real, someday.
Don’t wish evil on me buddy or my son. If you cannot take the truth there is always move on.org. I post what I think . This is still a free forum and no one died and left you the conscience. Don’t read my post and don’t post back. Your opinion is of no value to me, get it.I have seen your liberal du posts before and they are of no value to me. Just stay away get it.
“Uhh, the killing happended on campus, that’s where the double-murderer was last seen.”
So? The next killings came over two hours from the first. Most killers flee their crime scenes.
In that amount of time, the killer could have easily been out and about in Blacksburg, even if he was on foot. Of course, if he’d have fled by car, he could have been half-way to DC. If he’d have hopped in a car and driven to DC and killed a bunch of folks, I suppose folks would be criticizing the Blacksburg folks for not telling the DC Metropolitan Police for locking down all of Washington, DC.
“They did not comb through the nearby vicinity to look for the loose armed killer, they confined everything to the one dorm and shrugged the rest off for two hours.”
We don’t know what they “combed through” or didn’t during those two hours. We also don’t know how much manpower was available to them during that time.
However, the killer next shows up shooting in a building that appears to be about 3/4 of a mile away. Within a 3/4 mile radius of the dormitory where the first shootings occurred are about another 60 or 70 buildings.
With their 74-employee police department, which of the 60 or 70 buildings would you have searched first?
If you’d have searched the nearest 30 or 40 first, you’d have missed the one where the killer eventually turned up.
And if you think you can have a few dozen police officers thoroughly search 30 or 40 buildings in a couple of hours, well...
For all we know at this point, they may have been searching for the killer already.
The fact is that the killer didn't pick a building particularly nearby to continue his spree. There were literally dozens of buildings that were closer, including other dormitories (if you're gonna shoot folks at seven o'clock on a Monday morning on a college campus, dorm buildings'd make a convenient target).
“Defend them if you wish, I will bet you anything there will be admissions of wrongdoing and imcompetence in a relatively short amount of time.”
I’m not defending them. Merely pointing out the stupidity of some of the posts here. As I said previously, it may turn out that there was some negligence committed somewhere along the line. I don’t know.
But from the facts that are currently known, there is no obvious negligence.
You don’t “lock down” an entire 4-sqare-mile city when there’s a double homicide.
sitetest
The ‘shooter’ lived in a campus dorm, purchased gun Jan 13, 2007.
Cho Seung-Hui bought his first gun, a 9 mm handgun, on March 13 and his second weapon, a .22 caliber handgun, within the last week
This was premeditated and preplanned.
He clearly spent some time figuring out how he was going to take care of business once classes began on Monday morning
Don’t see the domestic dispute angle
OH? Who put you in charge of this real world? Did I see you on TV at the press conference?
Boy is that ever funny.
Liberals think government should “do something”.
Like you think government should have done something.
People like me think you should carry your protection with you and call the cops to come and pick up the trash.
Do I wish evil on your son? No. I am trying to point out to you that your son will someday be accused of not making the right move. “He should have known”.
All persons in public office have that risk. Cops have it in spades.
Get some forgiveness in your heart. You will need it from others someday.
From my understanding of the situation, it is a co-ed dorm. If that's anything like what my son lived in at UMass-Amherst, it means there are guys and girls all over the place, all the time, and among them, some who had dated, had broken up, and one or the other was now dating someone else. It's a hothouse of human emotions, and there are going to be what would be considered anywhere else, 'domestic disputes'.
I told you do not post to me . Let me alone I do not care to know what you think. Live your life but don’t get involved in mine.Just don’t read my posts period.
The ‘shooter’ lived in a campus dorm, purchased gun Jan 13, 2007.
Cho Seung-Hui bought his first gun, a 9 mm handgun, on March 13 and his second weapon, a .22 caliber handgun, within the last week
This was premeditated and preplanned.
He clearly spent some time figuring out how he was going to take care of business once classes began on Monday morning
Don’t see the domestic dispute angle
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Amazing!!!!
You knew all of that within less than the first two hours!
Why didn’t you tell the cops?
Gosh, that makes you guilty of evil things.
As far as my son goes , he would tell you the he should have known, comes with the job. If you want that job you take what you get. If you want a thank you in this world don’t get involved. If you want a job where you toot your own horn be a trucker. Like I said don’t worry about my son or me or my posts we will get along just fine.Anything I post you will find wrong, you got a problem with me period. I am giving you a way out, don’t read my posts.
I haven't seen any evidence that there were two shooters. From what I've read, the killings in the dorm were the first. Maybe he did plan to go on a full rampage, and just started with his ex-girlfriend and the Resident Assistant who came to help her in her argument with the killer. But the police responding to the first shooting didn't have any inkling that the killer had planned anything else, so they were not prepared for what he did next.
Who the heck are you? I don’t know you or want to know you either. If you do not like the posts I post don’t read them . Free country liberals did not take over yet!
Many are still trying to figure out what the connection was with the first shooting and the 2nd. Have you ever thought about the fact that the first shooting was done to divert every ones attention to the dorm area in order for the shooter to invade the more populated area where he knew the majority of the causalties could occur? This surely was well orchestrated and a sad situation.
Two guns purchased since mid March, chains for the doors,
re load/ re arm in his dorm room, write a note.
“If we cannot lock down 4 sq miles what would we do if someone had a nuclear suitcase bomb and we needed a lock down of a bigger area?”
I’m not sure you could actually “lock down” four square miles of anything but rural area.
But even so, you’re comparing two different sorts of events. If the federal authorities thought there were a suitcase nuke somewhere in an urban environment, it is likely that they’d mobilize more than 74 personnel. Why? For a couple of reasons:
First, if someone’s really out there with a suitcase nuke, the detonation isn’t going to kill 33 people. Or 300 people. Or even 3,000 folks. The attack would kill likely tens of thousands of folks.
Second, one may reasonably assume that someone with a suitcase nuke might very well set it off.
Conversely, most folks who kill their wives/girlfriends when they catch ‘em in bed with another man don’t generally go off on murdering sprees.
Regrettably, we have our fair share of cases in my area of folks who kill their significant others in domestic disputes. I can't remember a single case over the years where the murderer then sought out to kill dozens of other folks, likely mostly strangers.
There are something like 15,000 homicides in the United States each and every year. Very few of these are rampages where dozens of folks are shot. In fact, I’d bet it’s fewer than one per year. Calling out hundreds or even thousands of law enforcement officers on each and everyone to help lockdown and go through scores of buildings in a short period of time is not only infeasible, it’s likely counterproductive.
sitetest
As far as my son goes , he would tell you the he should have known, comes with the job.
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If your son is going to take the position that he should have known about and could have prevented every crime that happens in his jurisdiction, now and forever in the future, he will go to the madhouse.
No one can take that kind of pressure and the depression that will go with it.
All of that information was only gleaned AFTER the killings. Apparently, there was no warning that this was being planned. The police and administrators should not be judged on what they should have done based on information they did not have in their possession at the time of the killings.
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