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West Point grads leaving U.S. Army
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Posted on 04/12/2007 8:59:57 PM PDT by PAUL REVERE TODAY

WASHINGTON, April 11 (UPI) -- The U.S. Army is struggling to convince recent West Point graduates to make the military their career. Recent graduates of the U.S. Military Academy are exiting active duty at the highest rate in more than three decades, the Boston Globe reported Wednesday. Many military specialists say repeated tours in Iraq are driving out some of the Army's best and brightest young officers.

Of the 903 officers who graduated from West Point in 2001, nearly 46 percent left the service in 2006. More than 54 percent of the 935 graduates in the class of 2000 had left active duty by this January, Army statistics showed.

In most years during the last three decades, between 10 percent and 30 percent of West Point graduates opted out after their mandatory five years of service, the newspaper reported.


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To: art_rocks

Sounds like you are a girl scout.


81 posted on 04/13/2007 12:30:09 PM PDT by verity (Muhammed is a Dirt Bag)
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To: DakotaRed

No, but I speak from almost 30 years commissioned experience as a Navy officer, active duty and reserved, as an NROTC DMG, and someone who served with a whole host of Canoe U. grads. And whatever failing they may have had, a dedication to country, love of the military, and desire to serve their country regardless of what boob happened to sit in the Oval Office at the time were not among them.


82 posted on 04/13/2007 12:35:14 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Allegra
No, f_f, I don't believe I will. I've looked at some of your posts and have recognized that such an endeavor would be a waste of my time.

I suppose that response shouldn't surprise me, since it comes from a woman who keeps a list of people she refuses to talk to on her home page (but I still haven't made the list, apparently). However, if you are going to make comments which insult another's poster's comprehension skills, intelligence, character,or whatever else, you are obliged, by common courtesy and intellectual honesty, at least to back up your statements with some coherent point.

You have a nice day too.
83 posted on 04/13/2007 12:38:03 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: middie

Your kidding right.

Lets see the Clinton years when tanks were only allowed to drive so many miles a year.

You realize that Clinton took out a fourth of the army firepower. Let me explain, yes under Bush I the army went from 18 to 10 divisions. Now let me explain the Clinton cuts. An armor battalion had 4 companies of 14 tanks and two in the battalion for a total of 58 tanks. I think in 94-95, all armor battalions dropped a company so the battalion had 46 tanks. All the associated people who supported this company were also dropped, the battalion commo, maintenance and commo section and also the Direct Support sections from the Forward Support Battalions.

Those outside the army didn’t notice since there were still 10 divisions.

I never did understand how “Just in Time Logistics” was suppose to work during a war.


84 posted on 04/13/2007 12:42:10 PM PDT by art_rocks
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Repent, you must be the son of a devil if you are Kerry’s nominee.

LOL.


85 posted on 04/13/2007 12:44:15 PM PDT by art_rocks
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To: verity

verity,

I am in a Reserve unit where half the officers are West Pointers. They all have their own personal reasons they didn’t stay on active duty. For you to lump and disparge these soldiers the way you did is just as wrong as for me to say all Vietnam vets were pot smoking draftees who couldn’t get a college deferrment.

For the time frame when I was on active duty, I did my time in the first gulf war and Somalia. Some people are selected to go to war and some aren’t, it is what it is. I wonder what percentage of active duty field grade officers haven’t been to Iraq or Afghanistan.


86 posted on 04/13/2007 12:52:55 PM PDT by art_rocks
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To: art_rocks
Repent, you must be the son of a devil if you are Kerry’s nominee.

!!!!!

Could be worse: One of my good friends at the Academy was Barney Frank's nominee. I never had the heart to ask him what he had to do to get it.

87 posted on 04/13/2007 1:06:44 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: middie

The debacle of the ‘90s was the fault of Bush 41, Clinton and Congress, all of whom were only too happy to spend the “peace dividend” (har, har) buying votes. I survived the Clinton purges and left the Navy on my own terms, but I know one, count ‘em, one officer still on active duty from those days. A lot of really good, really smart, really dedicated people got the shaft because the Berlin Wall had fallen and that meant the world was suddenly a safe place and everybody loved us, right? A lot of other really good, really smart and really dedicated people got fed up with the politics and the BS and left.

Rumsfeld was right when he said, “You go to war with the military you’ve got.” But the corollary to that is, “You have the obligation to fight the war your military is trained, equipped and ready to fight.” THAT’S where I fault Bush 43. The military is designed to kill people and break things, as Rush so aptly puts it, not win hearts and minds, establish democracies, and, oh, by the way, not do any collateral damage while they’re at it.

This administration either forgot that or never knew it. Either way, they’re reaping the harvest now.


88 posted on 04/13/2007 1:09:20 PM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: LadyNavyVet

Your 88-—well put, LNV.


89 posted on 04/13/2007 1:11:08 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: PAUL REVERE TODAY
I hope you don’t consider those who elect to leave the Army after fulfilling their commitment any less of a Patriot. When they leave, these young men and women, our Nation’s finest, will have done much more than their share in fighting the War on Terror. Most of their peers will have been reaping the benefit of their service by climbing the corporate ladder and enjoying the fruits of liberty and freedom. The problem is, that this war is one where the vast majority of our society doesn't really have a stake in the outcome and is only marginally aware of the sacrifice of the military

My nephew is a West Point graduate of the class of 2003 and has already served two tours in Iraq. His courage, patriotism and loyalty are beyond reproach, but at some point he owes a loyalty to his family - to be there for his wife and young son. I don't know whether he will stay in the Army or not, but this is what he'll have to weigh in deciding.

90 posted on 04/13/2007 1:23:58 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's as simple as ABC - Anyone But Clinton! ( or Osama Obama))
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To: Non-Sequitur

I hate to tell you, but in my short 8 years active I actually met some West Pointers just as described. Not everyone going to Academies is ‘pure of heart.’


91 posted on 04/13/2007 4:57:14 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Democrats don't rattle sabers, they wave white flags)
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To: DakotaRed
hate to tell you, but in my short 8 years active I actually met some West Pointers just as described. Not everyone going to Academies is ‘pure of heart.’

Some? A lot? The majority? The overwhelming majority? All of them? Which is it?

92 posted on 04/13/2007 6:27:05 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: LadyNavyVet

Our military can nation-build just fine, and has done so on numerous occasions.

The really successful ones have been *after* the total war you rightfully demand, and that we should have executed here.


93 posted on 04/13/2007 6:36:02 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Google West Point Graduates Against the War, then you tell us.


94 posted on 04/13/2007 7:09:26 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Democrats don't rattle sabers, they wave white flags)
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To: verity
BTW, do you remember the post Vietnam era wherein the RIF also included, for the first time, USMA grads?

I sure do. I was a sergeant taking college classes to try to be selected for bootstrap(degree completion) and had many classes with officers trying to get some college before the RIF got them. One time an english class was decimated and many of the company grades knew West Pointers who were on the same RIF notification.

95 posted on 04/13/2007 7:11:06 PM PDT by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: Apple Blossom

ping


96 posted on 04/13/2007 7:12:21 PM PDT by bmwcyle ( Freep Fox they drop the ball on GOE)
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To: PAUL REVERE TODAY

These days, people are going there for the college education and prestige.

I doubt they ever went in to serve to begin with in any real war.
Peace time for a while would probably be OK for them, but we have some very spoiled younger people who have little sense of duty, honor or country.


97 posted on 04/13/2007 7:14:30 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: DakotaRed
Google West Point Graduates Against the War, then you tell us.

The founders of that site all graduated in 1962.

98 posted on 04/13/2007 7:32:32 PM PDT by TUAN_JIM (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: middie

I never thought that I would say it but I believe that i agree with you.

In 200 I voted for Bush in the hope that he would prosecute the Clinton crime cartel, including Hillary and Al Gore ,for their crimes. Didn’t happen

In 2002 I voted Republican “so Conservative Judges could be appointed”. Then came John Mc Cain and the other Democrats masquering as Republicans to stop it.

In 2004 I voted Republican mostly to do what I could to prevent John Kerry out of the WhiteHouse.

In 2006 I voted for what I consider to be another Democrat posing as a Republican, Charlie Crist, Mostly in order to keep the Democrat from being elected Governor.

As for how the war in Iraq and Afganistan is concerned, the kindest term to describe how it is now being conducted is , well I don’t know. Terms such as “incompetence”,and “inept” infer that those in charge of conducting it don’t know what they are doing. I believe that they know exactly what they are doing.

The troops doing the fighting have to contend with three enemies.
1. The enemy “fighters” whom I prefer to call International outlaws.
2. The American mainstream media and the Socialists in America.
3. The JAG lawyers who are foaming at the mouth in expections of getting to prosecute them for defending themselves.

Should they prevent one of the enemy from killing them by killing the enemy, the JAG, incited by the mainstream media is ready to pouce upon them with both feet.

To many, members of the main stream media, the Socialists in America to name a few, it is cause to celebrate when an American Serviceman/woman loses their life.

But to me,and this is only my personal opinion I do not claim to speak for anyone else, each one is someone’s son, daughter, father, mother, husband,wife and other relative an loved one. It is criminal that their lives are being sacrificed in a war that they are not and will not be allowed to win.


99 posted on 04/13/2007 8:09:41 PM PDT by sport
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To: sport

Your reply is interesting. However, I distinctly and without ambiguity disagree and disassociate myself from them as being far removed from my earlier posts.


100 posted on 04/13/2007 9:08:14 PM PDT by middie
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