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Scientists Retrieve Proteins From Dinosaur Bone
New York times ^ | April 12, 2007 | JOHN NOBLE WILFORD

Posted on 04/12/2007 2:05:00 PM PDT by gcruse

In a retrieval once thought unattainable, scientists have recovered and identified proteins in a bone of a well-preserved Tyrannosaurus rex, a dinosaur that lived and died and was fossilized 68 million years ago.

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Repeated analysis of the T-rex proteins, the researchers said, uncovered new evidence of a link between dinosaurs and birds, a widely held but contentious hypothesis. Three of the seven reconstructed protein sequences were closely related to chickens. The scientists resisted being drawn into speculation on the likely taste of a T-rex drumstick.

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To: editor-surveyor; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe
Three of the seven reconstructed protein sequences were closely related to chickens. The scientists resisted being drawn into speculation on the likely taste of a T-rex drumstick.

It is always such a good sign when the joke-cracking begins before the bona-fide scientific hypothesis is laid down -- NOT!!! [Must be some kind of "Leftie" inside joke.] Arguments like this usually end up all smoke and mirrors, attitude and atmospherics, with nothing substantial to follow.

It's hard to see how anything can be made of this sort of "evidence." But I'll be patient, waiting on the "experts."

61 posted on 04/12/2007 6:03:12 PM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein.)
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To: GourmetDan
What is the essential difference between your statement and mine?

A large body of observational evidence. Do let me know when you find the counter-observations.

62 posted on 04/12/2007 6:20:41 PM PDT by blowfish
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To: betty boop

What? Silly things end up in mass media coverage of scientific results. You can be sure there will be no jokes in the scientific publication, even though it would certainly make it less boring to read.


63 posted on 04/12/2007 6:23:29 PM PDT by xedude
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To: xedude
" There’s no need to invoke some conspiracy based on non-science."

That's the best description of evolunacy that I've ever heard.

64 posted on 04/12/2007 7:04:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Cute, but pointless.


65 posted on 04/12/2007 8:01:06 PM PDT by xedude
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To: GourmetDan

My other is common sense. See, I can point to mythical pictures from antiquity and show they mean as much as pictures drawn based on dinosaur bones.

Some more UFOs in cave paintings/carvings - http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/9054/ancient.html

My point was that showing carvings is little proof. Show me a human skeleton in the belly of a dinosaur, or vice versa, and then I’ll begin to ponder the outrageous 6K YO earth claims. There should be examples all over the place since we both inhabited the earth at the same time, and it sure looks like they enjoyed eating.


66 posted on 04/12/2007 9:05:17 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: SengirV

You know dern well dinos were allergic to humans- Don’;t beleive me? Pick up any ancient newspaper and note the dinos with hives- those were the ones trying to eat humans- So of course we can’t show humans in dino stomachs- besides, even if we had a specimen- it’d be argue away as being nothign more than some hick frerm the bakwoods who stumbled on the bones, tripped, falled right smack dab in the stomach area of the fossil bones, hit his head on the hip-bone and kilt himself. (This is from the ‘ready for anything’ little book of answers that anthropologists carry around- p: 117.)


67 posted on 04/12/2007 10:22:51 PM PDT by CottShop
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To: SengirV

[There should be examples all over the place since we both inhabited the earth at the same time, and it sure looks like they enjoyed eating.]

I’m afraid the examples are buried beneath the billions of transitional species skeletons, and are just too much bother to dig through- but they’re there.


68 posted on 04/12/2007 10:24:40 PM PDT by CottShop
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To: betty boop; editor-surveyor

Jeepers... Thank y’all for the pings!


69 posted on 04/12/2007 10:26:39 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GourmetDan

“...nor are drawings of dinosaurs in ancient cave paintings(young earth means the paths MUST have crossed).”

Really, none at all?

http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm
***Cool, thanks for that link. It looks like a fun read. Bump for later reading.


70 posted on 04/12/2007 10:54:43 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: CottShop
Touche to just one of the many and vast weaknesses in this ‘hard science’
71 posted on 04/12/2007 10:59:20 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: mutley
"They could be off some, they could be construed of bad assumptions, but to say they are completely off the mark portrays you in a argumentive light and for arguments sake. As compared to those things that have lead to this article."

You merely display the inability that science has to abandon the initial assumption of long-age. Everything is interpreted through the filter of a required long-age. When evidence that is not predicted appears, appeals to 'unknown conditions' are invoked to save the initial assumption of long-age.

C14 in coal (where it should not be) is explained-away as being created by underground radiation.

Anomalous fossils are explained-away as having been 'reworked'.

Life forms thought to be extinct for hundreds of millions of years are merely reclassed as 'living fossils' when found.

Absolutely everything is interpreted through the existing paradigm (long ages) and made to fit into it.

72 posted on 04/13/2007 5:44:27 AM PDT by GourmetDan
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To: Alter Kaker

Dating methods used are based on initial assumptions. The radioactive isotope used to ‘date’ ages is based on the assumed age of the sample.

And don’t pretend that I’m saying scientists are dishonest. That would be dishonest.


73 posted on 04/13/2007 5:50:03 AM PDT by GourmetDan
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To: Names Ash Housewares
"It is not like anyone ever changes their theological beliefs of a lifetime based on an internet thread."

Perhaps you won't make such a silly statement again, (that no one's mind is changed) but I'm thinking you will.

One can see that you were really only projecting your own attitude onto others with that statement.

74 posted on 04/13/2007 5:55:21 AM PDT by GourmetDan
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To: GourmetDan; mutley
"C14 in coal (where it should not be) is explained-away as being created by underground radiation. Anomalous fossils are explained-away as having been 'reworked'.
Life forms thought to be extinct for hundreds of millions of years are merely reclassed as 'living fossils' when found.
Absolutely everything is interpreted through the existing paradigm (long ages) and made to fit into it."


To paraphrase: The light shines into the darkness, so the darkness shrugs, plugs the distracting hole through the light shone, and carries on.
75 posted on 04/13/2007 7:34:33 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: GourmetDan

The only thing silly here is theologial fantasy that dinos and humans had picnics together.

There was nothing silly about my statement.


76 posted on 04/13/2007 7:37:48 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Names Ash Housewares

I’m not saying humjans did or didn’t (I personally beleive they did) cohabitate with dinos, but these drawings are NOT based simply on observing dino bones- they depict dinos with characteristics NOT previously known to science until recently, they show a certain dino standing on rear legs which science has fairly recently determined they did so, they show skin features that are accurate as well as other features- simply dismissing them in a flip manner is not being objective but biased.

Anyways- Science is now saying this DNA taken from the dino bones ‘shows a link’ between dinos and birds lol- they fail to point out the billions of differences in the DNA, but glom on to similarities and make their emphatic statements. It just couldn’t be that God created species with working DNA similarities since the model worked but made each KIND a unique and distinct creature, oh heck no- just had to be evolution. Can’t ruffle any dino feathers by objectively concidering all angles.


77 posted on 04/13/2007 9:25:40 AM PDT by CottShop
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To: xedude
"Who says they shouldn’t be there? You? It might be surprising to find something like that, but it’s not impossible. There’s no need to invoke some conspiracy based on non-science."

Well, science did. Otherwise there was no need to be 'surprised' by the finding.

You 'assume' that it's not impossible simply because long-ages must be preserved at all costs. It's no different than invoking 'unknown conditions'.

No one is invoking a conspiracy except you.

78 posted on 04/18/2007 4:14:42 PM PDT by GourmetDan
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To: blowfish
"A large body of observational evidence. Do let me know when you find the counter-observations."

There is no body of observational evidence over the time periods being invoked. There is no difference between our statements because the 'body of observational evidence' is not there. That is the point. That is simply a false statement intended to support what cannot be supported.

79 posted on 04/18/2007 4:18:53 PM PDT by GourmetDan
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To: SengirV

First you say there are no such paintings, then when I prove you wrong, the ones that do exist aren’t good enough for you.

It’s clear that proving you wrong means nothing and you’ll simply change your requirements in order to maintain your paradigm.

And showing a human skeleton in a dinosaur belly would be no different than the ‘living fossil’ species that are found quite regularly. It would simply be absorbed into the ever morphing evolutionary model. Just like the anomalous proteins that this article documents.

You merely call for what hasn’t been found yet and would just as easily change your requirements as you have already.


80 posted on 04/18/2007 4:29:18 PM PDT by GourmetDan
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