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20 Shia gunmen die in British retaliation
The Telegraph ^ | Last Updated: 1:38am BST 12/04/2007 | The Telegraph

Posted on 04/11/2007 7:29:50 PM PDT by Eurotwit

British forces have hit back at Iraqi insurgents who killed six colleagues last week, by launching an operation in which they shot dead more than 20 gunmen of Basra's rogue militias.

The attack began when a battalion-size force was sent into one of the southern city's toughest terrorist strongholds, three miles from where four soldiers, including two women, were blown up in their Warrior armoured vehicle.

An armoured force of 400 troops from the 2Bn The Rifles and 2Bn The Duke of Lancaster's Regiment, both of which suffered fatalities last week, entered the Shia Flats area on the western outskirts of Basra to search for hidden weapons.The district is notorious as one of the most dangerous in southern Iraq.

"We wanted to make quite clear there's nowhere in Basra we cannot go," a British commander told The Daily Telegraph yesterday. "We are prepared to be there in daylight and take whatever comes our way. We are not being bombed out or intimidated."

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"It was all going very well but then there was a sense something bad was about to happen as we noticed children starting to speak into their mobile phones and point at us," the commander said. "At this stage it became clear that the militia was massing for some kind of attack."

As the troops took up defensive positions around their Warrior and Bulldog armoured vehicles, Iraqi gunmen carrying AK47 assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenades could be seen scurrying along rooftops and down streets. It is believed ammunition and hundreds of weapons are hidden in the area and brought into the open at short notice when the British appear.

Intelligence sources also informed the troops on the ground that Shia terrorists were heading towards them from other parts of the city.

The battle began on Tuesday afternoon with numerous rocket-propelled grenades and small arms fire hitting the British positions.

The soldiers from the Rifles and Duke of Lancaster's held off the attacks for more than two hours and shot a number of gunmen. There were no British casualties as they gradually fought their way back to their base at Basra Palace.

Coalition jets also made low flying passes to intimidate the enemy although they did not drop any bombs. During one skirmish two attackers, who fired grenades at a British position, were chased down and arrested. Both are likely to face charges.

Commanders believed that some of the dead might have been behind the ambush of a Warrior in which 2nd Lt Joanna Dyer, a close friend of Prince William at Sandhurst, and three other soldiers were killed. A sniper, possibly from Shia Flats, also killed two other soldiers earlier last week. "This was at a location where we believe those responsible for killing our people were almost certainly recruited from," a military source said.

During the battle an Iraqi policeman was shot by one of the militias. He later died.

No civilians are believed to have been killed in the fight, the military reported, although it could not rule out innocent casualties caught in the crossfire.

"While we may regret that such incidents have to take place, we will not allow militia gunmen to control parts of Basra," said Lt Col Kevin Stratford-Wright, the British military spokesman in southern Iraq.

"There are no 'no-go' areas for multi-national forces in Basra. Security is our responsibility and, in conjunction with the Iraqi security forces, we seek to provide as secure an environment as possible. This will inevitably involve taking on the rogue militia who blight the lives of people in Basra."

Official estimates put the number of Iraqis hit by British gunfire at 10 but other defence sources said that double that figure had been shot.


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1 posted on 04/11/2007 7:29:51 PM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit

Way to go! I wonder why American MSM never publishes articles about the death toll among jihadists unfortunate enough to cross the paths of our forces — either in individual engagements like this or over the long haul? If all you read/heard was MSM, you’d be convinced the only people dying in Iraq were American GIs and Sunni women and children.


2 posted on 04/11/2007 7:35:05 PM PDT by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?)
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To: Eurotwit

These Brits are still on the job.


3 posted on 04/11/2007 7:35:57 PM PDT by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.)
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To: Eurotwit
Alexander’s war plan can be summed up in two words, “Kill Darius.” Our’s should be as simple, “Kill Sadr.”
4 posted on 04/11/2007 7:36:06 PM PDT by Cornpone (Islam: The world's greatest, preventable and treatable psychosis. ©2006Cornpone)
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To: Eurotwit
"British forces have hit back at Iraqi insurgents..."

...Iranian insurgents. But that was well done, UK!
5 posted on 04/11/2007 7:36:20 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons (has-been))
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To: Eurotwit

I have heard that the British forces have been pretty inactive in their part of Iraq, basically sitting back and waiting for their tour of duty to end.

This story seems to confirm it. They did not begin the battle, but were surrounded and fired on when they went into the area controlled by terrorists. The story says that there are weapons all over the place in Basra, and that the terrorists reacted to what amounted to an invasion of their turf.

I hope the British will take a more proactive role in their remaining time in Iraq. Twenty gunmen killed is a good start.

Notice, too, the way the terrorists used kids with cell phones to scout out their targets. The use and abuse of children like this is not much reported or understood in the PC American press.


6 posted on 04/11/2007 7:38:05 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: batco-barry

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7 posted on 04/11/2007 7:38:57 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Eurotwit
Coalition jets also made low flying passes to intimidate the enemy although they did not drop any bombs. During one skirmish two attackers, who fired grenades at a British position, were chased down and arrested. Both are likely to face charges. Charges! Why are they still breathing? 400 British could only snipe 20? Jets flyover, but no attack. How often can they do that and have any effect? This is the kind of behavior that gets you 15 service people taken by Iranians. OK, this is a negative rant, just want to see some better results.
8 posted on 04/11/2007 7:43:47 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (27 B stroke 6 required)
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To: Eurotwit

yay! get some....

I hope they are coating their rounds with pig fat for good measure.


9 posted on 04/11/2007 7:47:38 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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"During one skirmish two attackers, who fired grenades at a British position, were chased down and arrested. Both are likely to face charges."

An therein lies the explanation of why we're still there dealing with these lunatics..

These two "attackers" should have been killed in place, and their corpses left to rot in the sun..

Semper Fi

10 posted on 04/11/2007 7:48:18 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Eurotwit

Only 20? Big deal.


11 posted on 04/11/2007 7:49:18 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Cicero

Mustn’t disturb tea time, you know.


12 posted on 04/11/2007 7:51:52 PM PDT by gotribe ( I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution... - Grover Cleveland.)
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To: Eurotwit

AP: U.S. Says Iraqi Militias Train in Iran
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1815912/posts


13 posted on 04/11/2007 7:52:10 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons (has-been))
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To: Eurotwit

“It was all going very well but then there was a sense something bad was about to happen as we noticed children starting to speak into their mobile phones and point at us,” the commander said. “At this stage it became clear that the militia was massing for some kind of attack.”

“No civilians are believed to have been killed in the fight, the military reported, although it could not rule out innocent casualties caught in the crossfire.”

Anyone care to try to reconcile the discrepancy here? Kids with cell phones pointing at Brit soldiers are far from innocent. I’d call them “scouts.”

The whole place should have been bombed into a pile of rubble. There would have been no innocent casualties.


14 posted on 04/11/2007 8:26:38 PM PDT by Repcheff
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To: School of Rational Thought
Charges! Why are they still breathing?

That was also my reaction. They aren't uniformed military combatants entitled to the protection of Geneva Convention protocols. If they fired on coalition troops they should have been shot dead on the spot when and where they were captured.

A more pertinent question, why is that fat, ugly, murderous, Shiite thug Moqtada Sadr still breathing?

15 posted on 04/11/2007 8:29:32 PM PDT by epow
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To: Eurotwit

“The soldiers from the Rifles and Duke of Lancaster’s held off the attacks for more than two hours and shot a number of gunmen. There were no British casualties as they gradually fought their way back to their base at Basra Palace.”

Is fighting your way back to your base supposed to be some sort of victory? Is holding off the enemy while retreating supposed to be a crushing defeat to the enemy?

It seems to me that victory is storming the enemy stronghold, killing all opposition and planting your flag on the spot and making THAT your base.

What is achieved by holding off the enemy while fighting your way back to your base? 20 enemy dead? Are the streets any safer? Is the enemy pushed out of town? Has the battle cleared the way for your next advance?

This doesn’t seem like any way to win a war.


16 posted on 04/11/2007 8:34:21 PM PDT by Harpo Speaks (Honk! Honk! Honk! Either it's foggy out, or make that a dozen hard boiled eggs.)
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To: Eurotwit

The Surge is Working.
Cleanup on Aisle 4!

Pray for W and Our British Allies


17 posted on 04/11/2007 8:37:51 PM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both enemies of America)
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To: Cicero
Yeah, they had a chance to go on the offensive, and instead they went back to base. I don’t get it.
18 posted on 04/11/2007 8:38:47 PM PDT by miliantnutcase ("If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." -ichabod1)
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To: Eurotwit

BRAVO TO THE BRITS! BUMP


19 posted on 04/11/2007 8:39:57 PM PDT by Chena (I want a President who will also be tough against liberalism. (Kevin McCullough))
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To: Cicero
why don't they jam the cell towers.... or track them. Kill those in possesion of the phones.

Declare an area a free fire zone. Everybody with a cell phone or video camera near an IED gets locked up till they can obtain a "sponsor" to get them out of incarceration. If they get in trouble again the sponsor and the "prisoner" get locked up...... or killed.

20 posted on 04/11/2007 8:40:41 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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