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Will auld acquaintance be forgot as Scots go it alone?
The Times (London, UK) ^ | March 31, 2007 | Martin Fletcher

Posted on 03/31/2007 8:56:20 PM PDT by GMMAC

Will auld acquaintance be forgot as Scots go it alone?
30 years ago Gordon Brown was the toast of student radicals in Edinburgh. Now he is seen as part of the Establishment — and out of touch with the Scotland’s new direction.

Martin Fletcher
timesonline.co.uk
March 31, 2007


In 1974 Gordon Brown was Rector of Edinburgh University, elected after a campaign that featured the “Brown Sugars” — girls sporting miniskirts and T-shirts emblazoned “Gordon for Me”.

I was a first-year student, and remember him as a striking figure with long black hair and trenchcoat, surrounded by acolytes. He was intense and ambitious, but he also lived with Princess Margarita of Romania, threw celebrated parties and enjoyed an almost glamorous reputation.

As editor of Student, besides filling the pages with bare flesh, his great scoop was to catch the university lying about its investments in apartheid South Africa. He used the rectorship — traditionally a ceremonial post — to flay a fusty university establishment. When Sir Michael Swann, the principal, sought to stop him chairing meetings of the University Court, the Duke of Edinburgh, the university’s chancellor, intervened: Princess Margarita was the Duke’s goddaughter.

While the young firebrand was shaking up Edinburgh, another movement was shaking up Scotland. Buoyed by the discovery of North Sea oil, the Scottish Nationalist Party won 11 Westminster seats that October, and forced Harold Wilson’s weak and panicky Labour Government to concede a referendum on devolution in 1979 that only narrowly failed.

Three decades on, Mr Brown will shortly become my prime minister, not rector, and the SNP is surging again. A poll for The Times this week suggested that the party was heading for a victory in the Scottish Parliament elections on May 3, paving the way for a referendum on independence by 2010. But today it is Mr Brown who represents an unpopular Establishment in distant London, Mr Brown who looks out of step with Scottish public opinion, and Mr Brown who faces the prospect — albeit remote — of finding himself prime minister of a foreign country. How the wheel has turned.

Back in the 1970s Edinburgh was an austere place that even the Bay City Rollers struggled to enliven. Pubs shut at 10pm and never opened on Sundays. Staid life assurance companies pottered along in genteel Charlotte Square. The economy was wretched. The city felt cut off from the world. It was an uncomfortable place to be an English student. The Scottish nationalism of those days was angry, confrontational and fiercely antiEnglish, as summed up by the SNP slogan: “It’s Scotland’s oil”.

The theatrical sensation of 1974 was John McGrath’s play The Cheviot, the Stag and the Black, Black Oil, which charted the exploitation of Scotland from the 19th-century Highland clearances to the plundering of North Sea oil. English students were resented, and regularly told that we were taking Scottish students’ places.

Today, behind its immutable granite face, Edinburgh is a city transformed. It is cosmopolitan and fun. Dismal bars and corner shops selling that peculiarly disgusting Scottish invention, the bridie, have been replaced by fancy pubs and classy alfresco restaurants. The Grassmarket, Seventies refuge of down-and-outs, is now hip. The breweries, whose sickly smell blanketed the city, have gone. You hear foreign accents everywhere, and can fly directly to Europe and America without changing in London.

Edinburgh has become Europe’s fifth biggest financial centre, employing 135,000 people. The Royal Bank of Scotland is a world top-ten bank with a market capitalisation larger than Coca-Cola. Elegant New Town houses sell for a million or two.

Gavin Don, a Scot who returned from London to set up a corporate finance business in 1994, says that as an Edinburgh student in the 1970s he used to play Porsche-spotting. “You could go a whole year and not see one. Now they are two a penny. Bentleys are pretty commonplace, and Rolls-Royces are not unheard of.” There is a cultural revival, too. The Scottish executive is pouring money into the arts. The bestselling authors Iain Rankin, Iain Banks, Alexander McCall Smith, Irvine Welsh and J.K. Rowling all live in or near the city. Its once-proud publishing industry is booming again.

Where Edinburgh leads, the rest of Scotland is slowly following. The country still has pockets of intense poverty, but its unemployment rate has fallen below the UK average, its per capita GDP is higher than most English regions, and two decades of steady population decline have been reversed.

As self-confidence has risen so the nature of Scottish nationalism has changed. It is more positive, less Anglophobic. It emphasises future potential, not past grievances. It asks merely for Scotland to be liberated so it can prosper within the European Union like a dozen other countries as small or smaller. Indeed, the EU allows Scotland to break away from England without condemning itself to isolation on Europe’s northern fringe.

Alex Salmond, the SNP’s wily leader, is still demanding the repatriation of North Sea oil revenues and the removal of nuclear missiles from the Clyde. But as he seeks to portray his party as mainstream, not extreme, he emphasises a desire for cooperation not confrontation with Westminster, and avoids overt England-bashing. He says an independent Scotland would keep the Queen and the pound.

In St Andrew Square I asked a dozen Scots to sum up the English in one word. The answers were not flattering — “pompous”, “egotistical”, “smug”, “arrogant”, “loud”, “pig-headed”. But they were given with smiles, and for all the tales of Scots backing Trinidad and Tobago against England in the football World Cup their antipathy to sassenachs appears more muted. Indeed, Flower of Scotland, the unofficial national anthem, which was written for The Corries in 1967 and celebrates England’s defeat at Bannockburn, seems a little out of tune with the times. “People are a tad embarrassed by it,” one veteran Scottish journalist said.

What has undoubtedly weakened, however, is the Scots’ sense of Britishness. Three hundred years after the Act of Union England and Scotland no longer have a common enemy in France. The British Empire, on which Scotland’s 19th-century prosperity was built, has gone. Memories of Scottish soldiers fighting alongside the English in two world wars have faded. Scottish industries such as shipbuilding and coal that depended on London subsidies have been privatised or closed. Margaret Thatcher’s use of socialist Scotland as a test-bed for hated policies such as the poll tax fuelled Scottish disenchantment with Westminster.

A recent British Social Attitudes Survey found four fifths of Scots consider themselves Scottish first and British second. The Scottish Saltire, flown only by a few wild-eyed radicals in the 1970s, is everywhere in Edinburgh, and the Union Jack has largely disappeared. It does fly outside The Scotsman newspaper — but only at the insistence of Andrew Neil, its former editor-in-chief.

At the same time the much-derided Scottish Parliament, which the Scot George Robertson, a former Defence Secretary, said would kill separatism “stone dead”, appears merely to have fostered a sense of Scottishness. It receives more coverage than Westminster in the Scottish media and The Times poll this week showed 52 per cent of Scots want it to have more power, only 7 per cent less.

The other great change since the 1970s is England’s attitude to Scottish independence. Polls suggest that an idea unthinkable then is today quite popular.

Many English resent Scots receiving £1,500 more per capita in public spending each year, and that the Government requires the support of Scottish MPs to ram through controversial legislation such as university top-up fees and foundation hospitals that do not apply north of the border. They are offended by Scotland’s perceived Anglophobia. The English have yet to back Roger Federer against Andy Murray, but my equally unscientific survey of a dozen English colleagues produced adjectives about the Scots just as unflattering — “difficult”, “chippy”, “aggressive”, “ungrateful”, “angry”, “brooding”.

Few minded if Scotland broke away. As the Saltire flies in Scotland, so the flag of St George has become increasingly common in England. It is as if the Union Jack, like the UK, is breaking down into its constituent parts.

All this leaves Mr Brown in a hole. As a Scot preparing to move into No 10 he needs to reassure the English, and has delivered no fewer than ten speeches or statements on the importance of Britishness since late 2004. He opposes further devolution. The Raith Rovers fan even cited Paul Gascoigne’s goal against Scotland in Euro 96 as a favourite football moment.

But the more Mr Brown champions Britishness, the more out of touch he looks in Scotland — and the more he fuels his compatriots’ disaffection with Labour before next month’s elections.

Scots dislike Tony Blair, whom they consider neo-Thatcherite. They hate his war in Iraq. Today’s equivalent of The Cheviot, the Stag and the Black, Black Oil is The Black Watch, which tells of Scottish soldiers going to fight a pointless war foisted on them by an English Prime Minister. Mr Brown is widely seen in Scotland as the Iraq war’s paymaster.

In Edinburgh in the Seventies, Mr Brown wrote his doctoral thesis on how Labour established itself as the alternative to the Conservatives in Scotland in the early 20th century. Its battle now is to prevent itself being usurped by the SNP.

The stakes are enormous. Were Scotland to gain independence Labour — shorn of its 39 Scottish MPs — would never win power in England again.

Nationalists head for power

–– A Populus poll for The Times this week put the SNP ahead of Labour in both the first-past-the-post and proportional-representation sections

–– The Nationalists are on track to win 50 seats in the 129-seat Scottish Parliament, seven more than Labour. The Lib Dems would have 18 MSPs, the Conservatives 17 and the Greens one

–– A majority of Scots (52 per cent) are in favour of more devolved powers for their Parliament. Just over one in four (27 per cent) backed full independence

–– On the constituency or first-past-the-post vote, the SNP is on 38 per cent; Labour 28; Lib Dems 15; Tories 14; others 6 In the proportional representation section, the SNP is on 35 per cent; Labour 30; Lib Dems 14; Tories 14

Source: www.populuslimited.com


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To: Churchillspirit
Its MacDonald Clan tartan. Our pipe band wears Graham of Montrose.

My family is descendant from Hugh Alexander MacDonald, who immigrated to New Brunswick, Canada, from Glen Elg. All I have of him is a pure gold ring which is THE family heirloom. It goes to the eldest son of each generation.

121 posted on 04/09/2007 3:46:33 PM PDT by Candor7
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To: Brit_Guy; Candor7; fanfan
Suppose if someone hadn't alternated between denying what he’d plainly said & casting aspersions at me for pointing it out - not to mention attempting to dictate the rules of debate on a forum he'd joined something like a mere 10 days earlier - I might not have pursued the point as relentlessly as I did?

The UK's on-going presumptuous disdain for those it obviously deems mere 'colonials' is exemplified by its stubborn refusal to permanently return to Canada the Red Ensign our boys carried at Vimy Ridge.
Note, even a temporary 'loan' of same was arbitrarily rejected by the Brits until 2003!

When it comes to haughty ingratitude, they're easily as bad as the French!
122 posted on 04/09/2007 3:59:56 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: Churchillspirit
How many pub lunches have you eaten in Britain?

None! That's why I have to use The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy as a cultural reference!

123 posted on 04/09/2007 4:00:41 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Oberon
LOL!

No wonder you are misinformed.

124 posted on 04/09/2007 4:01:54 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: Candor7
My mother thinks so too, but few others.

Your mother is a smart woman.

:-)

125 posted on 04/09/2007 4:06:29 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Churchillspirit
Oh please!

The guy comes onto the thread at #17, essentially hijacks it with pontificating, often consecutive comments, denies what he plainly said, plays the 'victim' card, calls me a stalker and spouts self-serving revisionist 'history' and you think my manners leave something to be desired - LOL!

Aside from guessing your screen name reveals your bias, please note I posted at least 3 - hopefully worthwhile - articles while he was busy wallowing in denial & generally mouthing-off.
126 posted on 04/09/2007 4:08:30 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC

...and Cuba. The best and brightest somehow get out (if they survive) and come here. We are starting to see an influx of wealthy, educated Venezuelans.


127 posted on 04/09/2007 4:13:16 PM PDT by MattinNJ (Duncan Hunter for President in '08.)
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To: GMMAC
You could have made your points without calling him names.

However, you are what you are.

128 posted on 04/09/2007 4:17:50 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: GMMAC

Well, my son was in London during the July 7 attacks and left there to go to Scotland, where he found the college students to be the most friendly and accepting of Americans, that he found anywhere in Europe. He loved Edinburgh. So, maybe all is not the way it is portrayed.


129 posted on 04/09/2007 4:31:33 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Vicomte13
WONDERFUL POST!

That is without a doubt the greatest response I’ve ever received in the whole 6 years I’ve been posting on FR. The poem at the end actually choked me up.

In my mind, what really seals a nation’s fate is the overall average of the entire population of these character traits: honesty, integrity, morality, strength, bravery. Maybe a few others I’m forgetting.

Whenever I see or hear about some country somewhere making stupid decisions or oppressing their people or getting caught in the act of some corruptness...I can’t help but think it is a symptom of a shortage of strong and moral individuals capable of making a difference. My theory is that there is a threshold, where if the truly strong and moral types drop below a certain minimum percentage, then there becomes decreased incentive for the rest of us to strive for that ideal. Then everyone is looking to get away with whatever they can get away with.

I see most of the world as being a basket case, in terms of my threshold theory. And I see the USA as hanging on by a thread.

In my younger years I used to think of myself as being one of those few strong ones that was capable of making a difference. But now I know I’m not. Now I know I’m merely strong enough to never allow myself to sink to a despicable level no matter what. But the strength to effect others? Nope. Not in this lifetime.

130 posted on 04/09/2007 5:21:35 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

It’s worth noting that the United States of America owes its very existence to Presbyterian Scotland. You can draw a direct line of cause-and-effect straight from John Knox, through the Geneva Bible, and down to the Protestant preachers of New England...those same preachers whose congregations would one day sound the drumbeat for liberty from English tyranny.


131 posted on 04/09/2007 5:30:14 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: GMMAC

“When it comes to haughty ingratitude, they’re easily as bad as the French!”

Quoi?
I wave my private parts at your auntie you English bedwetting type.
I blow my nose at you and call your comment a silly thing.
I burst my pimples at you!
I fart in your general direction!
And if you think you’ve had a good taunting this time, just come back and I’ll make pincushions out of your head and castinets out of your testicles already!

Phhhhht!
Phhhhhhhhhhhhht!


132 posted on 04/09/2007 5:41:46 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Le chien aboie; la caravane passe.)
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To: mamelukesabre

“Now I know I’m merely strong enough to never allow myself to sink to a despicable level no matter what.”

Well, then you have that on me!
I know I am French, and therefore, hopeless.


133 posted on 04/09/2007 5:43:28 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Le chien aboie; la caravane passe.)
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To: Churchillspirit
"You could have made your points without calling him names."

That's a laugh!
... but, just to be clear:
He 'introduced' himself in comment #17 with "The biggest load of ignorant and racist rubbish I have ever read in my life." and then proceeded to call me "obsessed" and, by his comment #42 , a "stalker" for daring to review his low 2 digit posting history.

As for your snidely self-righteous crack "However, you are what you are.", without going to your level, I'll merely say this entire matter exemplifies FR's self-evident double standard when it comes to willfully disparaging Canada and/or Canadians:

Had anyone cavalierly blown off 2 years worth of U.S. Military sacrifices, plus then refused to clarify or apologize, we both well know the reaction hereabouts would have been entirely different.
134 posted on 04/09/2007 5:54:32 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: Vicomte13; Candor7; fanfan
Damned bad attitude Canadians:

Wave, Britannia! Iran's bluff humbles Britain ~ Mark Steyn, Chicago Sun-Times, April 8, 2007
135 posted on 04/09/2007 6:10:55 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: Oberon

And if you beleive in the masonic conspiracy theories that seem to be popular today...I think that too came to america by way of scotland. The masons, that is, not the conspiracy theories.


136 posted on 04/09/2007 8:56:00 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre; Oberon; Candor7; fanfan
It's my view that America's Declaration of Independence was foreshadowed over 450 years earlier by Scotland's magnificent 1320 Declaration of Arbroath containing, as example, these marvelous words:

"It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honors that we are fighting,
but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

Much later echoed by archtypical 1st generation Scots-American expat patriot Patrick Henry with his immortal challenge "Give me liberty or give me death!"

BTW, these & lots of similar links on my FR home page.

137 posted on 04/10/2007 5:19:27 AM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: mamelukesabre

“I think that too came to america by way of scotland. The masons, that is, not the conspiracy theories.”

So there wouldn’t, like, be any stone walls in America if it hadn’t been for the Scots coming over? Whoa!


138 posted on 04/10/2007 7:24:34 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Le chien aboie; la caravane passe.)
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To: GMMAC
You seem to have a large chip on your shoulder.

The object of your abuse did not disparage Canadians

You need a chill pill.

You are now boring. Bye!

139 posted on 04/10/2007 8:21:02 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: Churchillspirit
Classic liberal-like denial coupled with typical English dismissive arrogance.

"alone" quite plainly omitted any acknowledgment whatsoever of the sacrifices of all the nations - not just Canada - who stood allied with Britain between 1939 & 1941.
140 posted on 04/10/2007 8:46:20 AM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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