Giuliani is a Liar (vanity)

Various | 3/29/07 | Pissant/various

[pissant]

Sean Hannity Interview, 2007:

HANNITY: Let me move on. And the issue of guns has come up a lot. When people talk about Mayor Giuliani, New York City had some of the toughest gun laws in the entire country. Do you support the right of people to carry handguns?

GIULIANI: I understand the Second Amendment. I support it. People have the right to bear arms. When I was mayor of New York, I took over at a very, very difficult time. We were averaging about 2,000 murders a year, 10,000...

HANNITY: You inherited those laws, the gun laws in New York?

GIULIANI: Yes, and I used them. I used them to help bring down homicide. We reduced homicide, I think, by 65-70 percent. And some of it was by taking guns out of the streets of New York City.

So if you're talking about a city like New York, a densely populated area like New York, I think it's appropriate. You might have different laws other places, and maybe a lot of this gets resolved based on different states, different communities making decisions. After all, we do have a federal system of government in which you have the ability to accomplish that.

From a 2000 interview with Tim Russert:

Tim Russert: How about registration of ALL handguns?

Rudy Giuliani: Uh, you know I'm in favor of that. I've been on your show many times, talking about, uh, the program that the president (Clinton) talked about in his state of the union speech - I have been giving speeches about and talked about on your show for the last 10 to 15 years. Which is, I believe, is that we should treat the possession of a handgun the way we treat driving an automobile.

And therefore a person who wants to possess a handgun should pass a written test, should be able to pass a physical test in the actual use of the gun, and should have to demonstrate good moral character and a REASON to have the gun.

That those should be, essentially there should be a UNIFORM LAW PASSED BY CONGRESS that says that every state has to administer that, the way we say that we're not going to let you drive an automobile if you're too young, we're not going let you drive an automobile if you had a bad record, and uh, every state has a slightly different variation of that, but every state has a uniform law that guarantees our safety. I think the two things are good analogies, and I've been arguing for that since at least 1980.

[pissant]

Could be. Looks like Giuliani has a case of the Kerrys. talking out both sides of his mouth.

[GovernmentIsTheProblem]

"Guiliani Derangement Syndrome"

So anyone who doesn't support a Liberal for POTUS is deranged?

Did I fall asleep and wake up on DUh?

[Peach]

Sure, that Reagan was such a stinkin' liberal. How dare he push for the Brady Bill. /s

[NittanyLion]

Even the great Reagan made mistakes. I'd say the same if the discussion was amnesty.

Intelligent people are able to recognize that the standard to be applied is the Constitution - not a former politician's view on the issue.

[GovernmentIsTheProblem]

"Sure, that Reagan was such a stinkin' liberal. How dare he push for the Brady Bill."

He was out of office and had alzheimers. What's your reason?

[GovernmentIsTheProblem]

Won't you please respond to the points in #198

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1808686/posts?page=198#198

[Elyse]

Pissant: IT WORKED. Sorry, but it worked. In a place like NYC, he had to be flexible and IT WORKED. Do you understand what I'm saying..IT WORKED.

It WORKED. Sorry, but it worked. In a place like Germany, Hitler had to be flexible and IT WORKED. Do you understand what I'm saying...IT WORKED.

[petercooper]

He's not a liberal, he's running as an R

/s

[dirtboy]

Looks like you have GDS Guiliani Derangement Syndrome

Nah, we have LDS. Liberal Discernment Syndrome. We can discern that Rudy is a liberal.

[GovernmentIsTheProblem]

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so."
- Adolf Hitler

Rudy Mussolini
"The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements. ... They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results."
- Benito Mussolini

Gun Control Quotes
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Proposal for a Virginia Constitution

compare that to...

Gun Control Quotes
"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."
- John F. Kennedy

Quotes on Gun Control
"And that said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress...to prevent the people of the Unites States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..."
- Sam Adams, Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, Aug 20, 1789

Gun Control Quotes
"Probably fewer than 2% of handguns and well under 1% of all guns will ever be involved in a violent crime. Thus, the problem of criminal gun violence is concentrated within a very small subset of gun owners, indicating that gun control aimed at the general population faces a serious needle-in-the-haystack problem."
- Gary Kleck, "Point Blank: Handgun Violence In America"

Gun Control Quotes
"In fact, because many Americans keep guns in their homes, burglars in the United States spend more time than burglars in other countries ‘casing’ a house to ensure that nobody is home. As a result, countries with high gun ownership rates experience dramatically fewer break-ins during periods when the residents are at home."
- John R. Lott, “The Bias Against Guns”

Quotes on Gun Control
"Blaming guns for crime is like blaming spoons for Rosie O'Donnel's obesity."
- Travis McGee

Gun Control Quotes
"The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry

[GovernmentIsTheProblem]

"He's not a liberal, he's running as an R "

If Rudy wins the nomination it's not my fault for not voting for him.

It's the RINOs fault for seeing politics as team sports, rather than voting for principle.

Or course if one has no principles...

I will never vote against individual liberty!

[Howlin]

When you discuss another Freeper it is considered forum courtesy is to PING THEM.

Period.

The end.

[GovernmentIsTheProblem]

"When you discuss another Freeper it is considered forum courtesy is to PING THEM."

Noted.

Still, it should be in the forum rules or something. There are plenty of other written rules.

I didn't realize there were a bunch of unwritten rules, and unappointed people in charge of name-calling others to get them enforced. As if "newbie" was an insult...

[Madame Dufarge]

and a REASON to have the gun.

When I lived on Cape Cod (I know, I know - Massachusetts), the local police chief, mandarin-like, made the decision whether a citizen applying for a gun permit had a good enough REASON.

So if you were disinclined to prostrate yourself before the security bureaucrat, you were pretty much out of luck.

Naturally, the Second Amendment wouldn't be considered a good REASON.

[neocon1984]

Playing for the team is an important concept here.

As a sophomore on my HS varsity FB team (35+ years ago), I thought I was a much better QB than the lead-footed, noodle-armed incumbent. I was very unhappy that the coaches preferred the incumbent because of his leadership skills. (He was a senior). However, they convinced me to play halfback and strong safety (we played both ways in those days) for the good of the team.

Despite my unhappiness, I tried to be the best halfback, kick returner, and safety that I could be for the sake of the team. I was only one of many contributors to our first league championship in 20+ years. When I look back, I realize that winning was the best experience I could have had. I may have been the better quarterback, but he was the better leader and he had the confidence of the team and the coaches.

Now go forward, grasshopper.

[GovernmentIsTheProblem]

"Now go forward, grasshopper."

This isn't a football game. The consequences are much deeper.

What good is a leader who can take us to victory, if he defines victory as abortion, gun grabbing, and appointing scumbags like Kerik to high positions?

[Hildy]

AARRGGHHHHHHH...can you guys please please, I beg you, come up with something other than Hitler as an analogy...it's SOOOOOOOO boring.

[najida]

Pokemon did it too (how's that ;) )

[Hildy]

Sticks and stones...if we're lucky, Guiliani will be our next President...and you'll have at least four years of whining. It must suck to be you.

[Hildy]

I know...It's Hitler time....no matter what issue, when all else fails..bring out the HITLER CARD! It's so old and tiring.