Would You Vote for This person? (Rudy's Website Whoppers!)

CBN ^ | 3/27/07 | Dave Brody

[pissant]

Play along with me this morning. Would you vote for the following candidate? This person supports parental notification laws and a ban on partial birth abortion; is a strong supporter of the Second Amendment and believes mariage is between a man and a woman. Don't look any further. In your mind, does this candidate seem attractive? Yes or No?

Guess what. That's how Rudy Giuliani describes himself. If you go to his website, that's how he lays out his positions on three very sensitive topics. What about this bleeding heart socially liberal Republican. As you might imagine, it is nowhere to be found on his website. The Brody File has pulled the three parapgraphs from his website that lay out his position on abortion, guns and marriage.

Abortion:

"Rudy Giuliani supports reasonable restrictions on abortion such as parental notification with a judicial bypass and a ban on partial birth abortion – except when the life of the mother is at stake. He’s proud that adoptions increased 66% while abortions decreased over 16% in New York City when he was Mayor. But Rudy understands that this is a deeply personal moral dilemma, and people of good conscience can disagree respectfully. Ultimately he believes that it is a decision between a woman, her doctor, her family, and her God."

Guns:

"Rudy Giuliani is a strong supporter of the Second Amendment. When he was Mayor of a city suffering an average of almost 2000 murders a year, he protected people by getting illegal handguns out of the hands of criminals. As a result, shootings fell by 72% and the murder rate was cut by two-thirds. But Rudy understands that what works in New York doesn’t necessarily work in Mississippi or Montana."

Marriage:

"Rudy Giuliani believes marriage is between a man and a woman. He does not - and has never - supported gay marriage. But he believes in equal rights under law for all Americans. That's why he supports domestic partnerships that provide stability for committed partners in important legal and personal matters, while preserving the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman."

If you were an Evangelical who just stepped onto this Earth from Planet Pluto (oh wait,sorry, Pluto is no longer a Planet. I thought scientists were "always" right?), after reading that, you may not understand why a large segment of Evangelicals may have a problem with Rudy. But the religious conservatives who live here on Earth might think those paragraphs on his website are just a tad bit disengenous. Actually, now that I think of it, I'm sure others have a much different word for it. Does the way he portrays himself on his website bother you or do you just chalk it up to political spin just like every other candidate out there? Comments?

[apocalypto]

It is sad that he has become this two-faced. This will cost votes for Rudy not only from the right but also from the left, with neither side trusting him.

[TChris]

If he gets the nomination, I'd hold my nose and vote for him.

But I will do everything in my power to ensure that never happens!

[massadvj]

They provided quotes from Rudy's own website.

Yes they did. And it just goes to show you what a dishonest no good RINO Rudy is, to make such misleading statements when WE all know that he is nuthin' but a gun grabbin', baby killin' cross dressin' LIBRUL.

[Just another Joe]

I've held my nose in just about every general election, voting for the lesser of two evils. Is that too much to ask from these folks?

I can only hold my nose for so long before I have to take a breath. Since I'm not a mouth breather, I have to let go of my nose at some point.
When would you say that point is? When a liberal with an 'R' behind his name gets the nod?

[Condor51]

Tommy, I've figured the Rudy Rooters (Rudybots) out.

They are like battered wives who just 'can't' leave the mutt who beats the crap out of them. They keep making excuses for the abuser with junk like, 'Well.. he'll change. He'll stop beating me - he told me so'.

Or like the family of an Alcoholic, they are enablers and are codependent on-with-to the Drunken sot. They too make excuse after excuse for the bum.

Miss a family gathering, make an excuse - 'He's sick with the flu.' Miss work due to a hangover - They call in sick for the bum. They'll hide the bum in the basement and feed him booze as long as he doesn't publicly embarrass the family. And when he does, which he will - here come the excuses, fast and furious.

THIS is the exact pathology of the Rudy Rooters, down to a 'T'. Rudy can beat them or embarrass them and it's excuse, after excuse, after excuse. 'He'll change', 'He said', 'It's different now,' etc, etc, etc.

This past weekend I Googled 'codependency' and 'Alcoholism' (the Rudybots were getting unusually wacky on a thread) and what popped up describes the Rudy Rooters word for word.

(I had a friend (mentor) die of Alcoholism, his family enabled him and were codependent. The Rudybots actions, 'logic', are like deja vu all over again)

[dirtboy]

And it just goes to show you what a dishonest no good RINO Rudy is, to make such misleading statements when WE all know that he is nuthin' but a gun grabbin', baby killin' cross dressin' LIBRUL.

You're just too sophisticated for the rest of us rubes, apparently. I guess we're supposed to ignore the fact that Rudy supported Clinton's veto of a PBA abortion ban - one that provided exceptions for the life of the mother. Yep, ignore what a politician has done, and cynically accept what a politician says now that he needs our vote.

Guys like you are exhibit "A" of what is wrong with politics today. You ridicule people for displays of common sense.

[Wormwood]

I would hold my nose and vote for Rudy, just as I would hold my nose for Hunter or Romney.

I have no desire to hand over the keys to the treasury to a party that could possibly OUTSPEND the Republicans (as improbable as that seems in light of the past two terms).

[Liz]

I haven't decided whether I would vote for Rudy or join the Hari Krishnas.

LOL----watta choice. The maniac or the mantra.

[NavyCanDo]

Would I vote for this Guy? I'm not jumping on the Rudy bandwagon yet, there are things about him that trouble me - in fact I would lean towards Fred Thompson if he decides to run, but - If it came down to choosing between Hillary and Rudy in November 2008 - you bet I would vote for him.

A couple of areas I do like Rudy......

Fighting Crime
Its not a Liberal thing to cut the cities murders from 1,946 in 1993 to 649 in 2001, while overall crime – including rapes, assaults, burglary and auto-thefts – fell by an average of 57%. According to the FBI, New York was transformed from the crime capital of the country into the Safest Large City in America.

Cutting Taxes
It’s not very liberal of Rudy Giuliani to cut more taxes than any Mayor in New York City history, reducing or eliminating 23 city taxes, saving individuals and businesses a cumulative $8 billion, while reducing New Yorkers’ tax burden by nearly 20%. By the end of Giuliani’s term in office, New Yorkers enjoyed their lowest tax burden in three decades, along with the creation of approximately 425,000 new private sector jobs.

Fiscal Responsibility
Rudy Giuliani inherited a $2.3 billion dollar budget deficit and turned it into a multi-billion dollar surplus, while cutting taxes and delivering balanced budgets. He cut the number of full-time city workers by more than 20,000 – excluding teachers, firefighters, and police officers – while slowing the growth of government spending to below the rate of inflation.

Welfare Reform
When Rudy Giuliani took office, more than one out of every seven New Yorkers was on welfare, reflecting intergenerational dependency and a weakening of the work ethic. Under his leadership, the City cut welfare rolls by more than 640,000 – to the lowest number since 1966 – eliminating fraud and abuse while turning welfare offices into Job Centers. Rudy Giuliani believes: “At the core of our approach to welfare reform is the basic concept of a social contract—that for every right there is a duty, for every benefit an obligation.”

[azhenfud]

"Voting for Rudy is the same as voting Democrat..."

Actually, I consider a Giuliani nomination more destructive because it sends a signal to moderate conservatives, fence-straddlers, and the rightly-tilted of the Democrat party that protection of gun rights, the sanctity of the unborn life, and respect for the institution of marriage are no longer values worth defending.

As we all know, as goes the Presidency, so goes the party. Anyone believing Giuliani, the lisping liberal lady-man, will preserve GOP interests because of an "R", that his policy is good for the longterm GOP is seriously delusioned.

[cripplecreek]

I've learned my lesson about holding my nose while voting.

In the last election I held my nose and voted for two party line republicans and I proudly voted for one conservative republican. The two party line republicans lost and the conservative won the seat of a GOP backed RINO.

The way I look at it is that I didn't lose anything and came out on top. The democrats were in power already so there was no change there but we replaced a RINO with a conservative.

[Just another Joe]

I would hold my nose and vote for Rudy, just as I would hold my nose for Hunter or Romney.

I will NOT vote for Rudy in the primaries, period.
I am still undecided whether I would vote for him in the general.
His stance on the 2nd amendment causes me great concern.

It causes me almost (less by the amount of a hair) the same amount of concern as if Hitlery gets in the WH.

Different reasons, almost the same amount.

[TommyDale]

There are many primaries that will occur before any one candidate will win enough delegates to guarantee the nomination. Why don't we wait and see then?

[RadioAstronomer]

Hmmm... Democratic congress, democrat in the WH:

Gun rights? - forget them.
Abortion on demand? - Absolutely
Taxes thru the roof? - Yuppers
Protect the borders? - Not a chance
Every socialist agenda ramrodded thru? - Oh yes
Envirowhacks getting more power? - Guaranteed
Etc.

But what the heck - We showed them!

[angkor]

Unfortunately for conservatives, not all republicans are evangelicals.

I wish the evangelicals would be honest and stop identifying themselves as (and attempting to coopt) the term "conservative".

It's pretty clear from this and virtually every other Giuliani thread that the evangelical conservatives (values voters, social conservatives, whatever) consider themselves the exclusive bearers of "conservative" values.

It is the haughty exclusivity (which we see from them in other domains) that makes their posts rather repellent.

So c'mon you values voters, you social conservatives, you evangelical conservatives... fess up to what you are and stop trying to slander other conservatives.

I like the ring of "Evangelical Party". And best of luck on that.

By the way, it's unlikely that I'd support Giuliani, there are too many other good candidates out there.

[RadioAstronomer]

Good to see you as well. :-)

[Wormwood]

Sounds good.

And for the record, I'll be voting against Rudy in the primaries as well.

[massadvj]

You're just too sophisticated for the rest of us rubes, apparently. I guess we're supposed to ignore the fact that Rudy supported Clinton's veto of a PBA abortion ban - one that provided exceptions for the life of the mother. Yep, ignore what a politician has done, and cynically accept what a politician says now that he needs our vote.

I cannot think of a politician I have supported that I agree with 100 percent of the time. In fact, Fred Thompson co-sponsored McCain-Feingold. So there are likely to be lots of things in a candidate's past that various people are going to disagree with.

Now I could easily try to get you to support Rudy by trashing Thompson on McCain-Feingold, hammering it at you day after day after day. But it wouldn't work any more than your attempting to trash Giuliani with this or that position. It's all inside baseball stuff and will make absolutely no difference to anyone who is undecided.

Rudy Giuliani is a hero. Now, he may or may not actually BE a hero. But the American people think he is a hero because they saw it on television. That makes the guy imminently electable. His electability is the wind driving his popularity, and that will not be compromised by whatever minutae you wish to expose about him.

These attacks on Giuliani from the right just solidify his support among crossovers. The more crossovers like him, the better his numbers get (in a general election matchup), and the more likely he will win the nomination.

[Dominic Harr]

So c'mon you values voters, you social conservatives, you evangelical conservatives... fess up to what you are and stop trying to slander other conservatives.

Ah, the march of the "only true conservatives".

Oh, it's one of the oldest silly debate tactics on the web. Those folks are just using 'liberal' as an insult for anyone that doesn't agree with them.

If I only had a nickel for every time I've read someone saying, "If you don't agree with me about (fill in pet issue here), you must be a baby-killing, gun-grabbing, faggot-loving liberal!"

[trisham]

This is why it's so important to look at the history of a candidate. Some will say anything to advance themselves during a campaign. What they can't do is change the past.