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Ontario's controversial pit bull ban largely intact after constitutional challenge
The Canadian Press ^
| Friday, March 23, 2007
| staff
Posted on 03/23/2007 3:06:31 PM PDT by kanawa
TORONTO The bulk of the Ontario governments controversial ban on pit bulls has survived a constitutional challenge.
But two key elements were struck down in a ruling issued today by Superior Court Justice Thea Herman.
Herman declared the definition of a pit bull terrier unconstitutional, and also struck down a provision that allows the province to use certificates from veterinarians to prove a dog is in fact a pit bull.
Attorney General Michael Bryant says the province got 99 per cent of what it wanted out of todays decision.
Lawyer Clayton Ruby, who led the challenge, said in a brief statement his side has claimed a substantial victory, but vowed to file an appeal.
Ruby argued the ban is unconstitutional and too broad because it bans all pit bulls, even though animal experts say the majority of the dogs are friendly family pets.
People should continue to leash and muzzle their pit bulls; pit bulls are banned are in Ontario, and that has been upheld by the Ontario Superior Court, Bryant said in an interview.
Pit bulls remain banned, the purebred definitions of pit bulls are banned, anything substantially similar to those purebreds are banned.
The law forces pit bull owners to muzzle, leash and sterilize their dogs or face a $10,000 fine or up to six months in jail or both. Dogs cant be bred or brought into the province.
Ruby argued statistics suggest there are other dogs more dangerous than pit bulls.
He cited a Canadian study that found that since 1983, 23 fatalities from dog attacks in which 55 dogs were involved. Only one dog involved was a pit bull breed, an American Staffordshire terrier.
In court documents, Crown lawyers argued the ban is necessary to protect the public from potential pit bull attacks.
They said attacks by pit bulls are more deadly than from other dogs and pit bulls often attack viciously without being provoked.
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posted on
03/23/2007 3:06:34 PM PDT
by
kanawa
To: MizSterious; Kokojmudd; brytlea; Darnright; Sensei Ern; sangrila; rattrap; dervish; sandalwood; ...
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FRiends, I can't comment on this at the moment other than to say I hope that we can find the resources to appeal.
I'm very sad.
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posted on
03/23/2007 3:09:38 PM PDT
by
kanawa
(Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
To: kanawa
He cited a Canadian study that found that since 1983, 23 fatalities from dog attacks in which 55 dogs were involved. Only one dog involved was a pit bull breed, an American Staffordshire terrier.
In court documents, Crown lawyers argued the ban is necessary to protect the public from potential pit bull attacks.
They said attacks by pit bulls are more deadly than from other dogs and pit bulls often attack viciously without being provoked.
The facts don't follow the Crown's argument. And after your experience, I think pit bulls are at least even - took one life, saved another.
Badly socialized dogs bite. Blame the owners, not the dogs.
To: kanawa
"In court documents, Crown lawyers argued the ban is necessary to protect the public from potential pit bull attacks." Just pray these idiots don't apply the same logic to protecting the public from potential auto accidents or potential food poisoning :-(
To: kanawa
I don't think any dog breed should be banned as long as dog owners realize that they are responsible for the dogs actions.
Also realize that just because there is no law banning a certain dog breed, that does not mean you have the right to force an insurance company to sell you coverage against their company policy to decline issuing policies to owners of certain breeds they determine to be high risk.
My wife worked for an insurance company that was twice sued by dog owners, one was a pit bull I can't remember the other breed, with outrageous claims that their constitutional rights are being violated. Her company won both times.
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posted on
03/23/2007 3:25:33 PM PDT
by
HEY4QDEMS
(Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
To: kanawa
No dog lover should support this. A recent ban in Florida included German Shepherds and Huskies. No big dog owner is safe from these.
:(
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posted on
03/23/2007 3:27:30 PM PDT
by
ellery
(The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
To: ellery
I'm a dog lover, and I support the ban.
Pit bulls were developed for one reason - to fight.
And I challenge any of the breed's defenders to climb into, or put their children into, a cage with one that they don't know.
To: kanawa; conservative in nyc
You may be being a bit premature - not withstanding the msm's crowing, the Court struck down the definition of a "pit bull" which effectively guts this ill conceived, social fascistic law.
Check
this out: apparently your chief counsel considers today's decision a partial victory (e.g. Sam's safe) & is headed up the Judicial food chain for a complete victory.
"Skye barks up"
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posted on
03/23/2007 3:44:16 PM PDT
by
GMMAC
(Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
To: canuck_conservative
And I challenge any of the breed's defenders to climb into, or put their children into, a cage with one that they don't know.With respect, that is a ridiculous challenge that no responsible owner of any breed would take up.
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posted on
03/23/2007 3:50:56 PM PDT
by
kanawa
(Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
To: kanawa
Pit bull or collie?
Pit bull or Golden Retriever?
Which one would you prefer you, or your kids, encounter on the sidewalk?
I think I'd even trust a Rottweiler before a Pit bull.
To: kanawa
A decision that upholds fascism - an absolute disgrace. I don't know how anyone can support a government or a political party that would crucify people's much loved pets.
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posted on
03/23/2007 4:01:09 PM PDT
by
Fair Go
To: Fair Go
Freedoms are not limitless.
There is no right to libel, no right to yell "fire" in a crowded theatre, etc. Some things genuinely are in the public's best interest.
To: canuck_conservative; kanawa
"I'm a dog lover, and I support the ban. "
Dog lover - sure.
Conservative - no.
Conservatives favor addressing problems based upon individual responsibility & personal accountability - not nanny state solutions where law-abiding pet owners are targeted together with irresponsible ones via a shotgun approach which plainly violates their personal freedoms starting with choosing whatever type of dog they wish to own on down.
Plus, there isn't a single group of animal experts - vets, humane societies, etc - in all of North America (other than PETA!) which endorses so-called 'breed ban' laws.
My daughter has an old mixed-breed dog which some animal control moron once foolishly classed as a so-called 'pit bull'.
Not withstanding that neither she nor her pet have ever caused anyone a lick of trouble, she now lives in fear of the state seizing her pet & destroying him!
Surely you don't believe that's right in a supposed 'free' society ???
By all means, literally throw the book at negligent dog owners but harassing conscientious ones merely because you don't like the 'look' of their pet is quite simply emotionally-driven arbitrary social fascism!
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posted on
03/23/2007 4:08:05 PM PDT
by
GMMAC
(Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
To: canuck_conservative
Which one would you prefer you, or your kids, encounter on the sidewalk?There are good and bad dogs of all breeds.
To assume a Collie or a GR is incapable of seriously injuring or killing a child is a dangerous error in judgement.
I would prefer a child never to meet any uncontrolled dog on the sidewalk.
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posted on
03/23/2007 4:09:54 PM PDT
by
kanawa
(Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
To: canuck_conservative
They are using a very broad definition of a pit bull. Under the Ontario law the English Staffordhire, known as the nanny dog because of its love of children and willingness to protect them, would be banned. The American pitbulls I have come across have been loving and affectionate dogs. My dog's vet has had many years experience, opposes breed specific legislation and confirms that pitbulls are loving and affectionate dogs. If they attack, it is because they have been badly treated. In Australia recently, a young pitbull owner cut the ears off his young dog with scissors to make it look meaner. It could still waggle its tail and show affection and animal welfare agents will relocate it to a good home whilst prosecuting the owner. If dogs are badly treated they will become aggressive. What is needed is a ban on irresponsible owners.
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posted on
03/23/2007 4:14:01 PM PDT
by
Fair Go
To: canuck_conservative
Let me guess, Freedom is about Authority??? Conservatives generally believe that government should not be given any more power than necessary. If Dog fighting is Illegal and pit bulls are bread to fight, what makes you think that these folks that do ILLEGAL dog fighting are going to be afraid to give up an illegal breed of dog. OTOH The responsible pit bull owners that know how to handle their dogs are punished for this stupidity.
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posted on
03/23/2007 4:15:35 PM PDT
by
Xenophon450
("If a man obeys the gods, they are quick to hear his prayers." - Homer)
To: canuck_conservative
I have a border collie and a rottie. I am cautious with both when my kids and dogs are together, but I am much more cautious with my collie.
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posted on
03/23/2007 4:18:26 PM PDT
by
ellery
(The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
To: GMMAC
C'mon, GMMAC, ease up.
"Seizing her pet and destroying him" ?
The new law only says muzzle, leash, and sterilize. Is that really too much to ask?
"Conservatives favor addressing problems based upon individual responsibility ..."
So, the government has no role to play in the safeguarding of society? I can't build bombs or do nuclear fission experiments in my neighbourhood - why? Because it's a threat to my neighbour's safety. Same thing if someone has a dangerous animal in the neighbourhood - the government has a right (duty) to ensure the public's safety.
That IS conservatism, my friend, and it's consistent with the lessons of 10,000 years of social living: Safety must be priority one.
To: canuck_conservative; Fair Go
Check out the websites of the American & Canadian Kennel Clubs & you'll find there's no such thing as a specifically "pit bull" breed of dog.
All of these laws are eventually struck down because nanny statists & other nervous nellies can't come up with a - plainly impossible - legally binding definition of those dogs which it essentially boils down to them not liking the 'look' of.
Given you're in bed with the likes of PETA, I can't believe you've ever really thought through your expressed position.
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posted on
03/23/2007 4:22:47 PM PDT
by
GMMAC
(Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
To: canuck_conservative
"Safety must be priority one."
"Those who desire security over liberty deserve neither security nor liberty."
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posted on
03/23/2007 4:25:14 PM PDT
by
Xenophon450
("If a man obeys the gods, they are quick to hear his prayers." - Homer)
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