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Subprime Economics
Townhall ^ | March 22, 2007 | Alan Reynolds

Posted on 03/22/2007 12:15:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

When it comes to economic news, the press tends to be biased toward exaggeration and sensationalism. If some event isn't a "scandal," then it must be a "crisis."

The latest example of crisis journalism turned the phrase "mortgage meltdown" into an overnight cliche. It began with the effort to blame a worldwide dip in stock prices on local U.S. problems with subprime mortgage loans. According to The Associated Press, "Anxiety that a blowup of subprime mortgage lenders could spill over into the broader economy has roiled the finance markets in recent weeks and played a major role in the swoon on Wall Street that pushed the Dow Jones Industrial Average to its lowest levels in more than four years."

Facts never interfere with such an exciting story. The Dow was 12,226.17 on the day that story appeared. A year ago, the Dow was 11,109.32. Four years ago, in March 2003, it was 7,992.13. Besides, Shanghai was the first stock market to "swoon," and not because of defaults on subprime mortgage loans in Detroit or New Orleans.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: housing; loans; mortgages; subprime
Sensationalism, thy name is Media.
1 posted on 03/22/2007 12:15:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

2 posted on 03/22/2007 12:18:46 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

ha!


3 posted on 03/22/2007 12:23:10 PM PDT by I Like Lincoln
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What is the price of thirty stocks got to do with the debt burdens of millions of average shmoes with no investment in the DJIA?


4 posted on 03/22/2007 12:29:38 PM PDT by junta (It's Jihad stupid! It's the borders stupid! It's Political Correctness stupid!)
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To: junta
What is the price of thirty stocks got to do with the debt burdens of millions of average shmoes with no investment in the DJIA?

Most people have pensions.

That's where their pension money is.

5 posted on 03/22/2007 12:33:40 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

A lot of people's pension money was put into hedgefunds that contained mortgage backed securities filled with these toxic subprime loans.


6 posted on 03/22/2007 12:39:49 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

Probably, but if the pensions are diversified (as required by law), then it will pose little problem. The reason being that the hedge funds likely don't have all their eggs in the sub-prime basket, and the Pensions don't have all their eggs in the hedge funds (pension HF allocations are actually not that large as a % of their assets for regulatory reasons I believe). Hedge funds are very diverse in their views and bets, so some would be betting for sub-prime mortgages, some against.

As for this guy's claim that HFs are volatile, it depends heavily on the strategy used. Arbitrage strategies would be less volatile than, for instance, the US stock market. Global macro would be more volatile.

The problem here, that this guy doesn't understand, is what happens when the credit markets quit wanting to fund the gorging by the US consumer. The trend for the past several years was for the consumer to leverage himself heavily to buy big screen TVs and over-valued real-estate. Money flowed from the capital markets to the goods markets and created economic growth. But eventually, that money has to be repaid. And if the markets grow reticent to keep lending to a heavily leveraged consumer, then the engine of growth stalls.

AS for this story's impact on the markets, this guy obviously doesn't know jack. The markets are indeed concerned. I work on a trading desk, and it has been a major topic of conversation amongst people in my firm and people we talk to outside the firm.

His comment that 13.3% sub-prime delinqency isn't a big deal is ignorant. This average since 1998 for this number is slightly over 12%. So 13.3% is above average. Overall deliquencies are above average as well.

People are learning why they shouldn't buy expensive things on credit when they can't reasonably expect to afford the financing.


7 posted on 03/22/2007 1:02:51 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo ("Give a man a fish, make him a Democrat. Teach a man to fish, make him a Republican.")
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To: Thane_Banquo
This average since 1998 for this number is slightly over 12%. So 13.3% is above average. Overall deliquencies are above average as well.

And the relative size of the sub-prime market compared to the overall market is much larger than it was in 1998.

8 posted on 03/22/2007 1:35:02 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Thane_Banquo; All

Now see here all, this guy Thane makes a good simple language analysis of the whole mess. To much lent, at to high a rate, for to long, and now the french hens are coming home to roost. I'm just another anonymous schmo working for another GigantiCorp that reads this and gets it.


9 posted on 03/22/2007 1:43:29 PM PDT by Domicile of Doom (Hey boy why is there dirt in my hole? I dunno Boss.)
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To: Domicile of Doom; Tax-chick
To much lent, at to high a rate, for to long, and now the french hens are coming home to roost.
10 posted on 03/22/2007 1:49:57 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Proud_USA_Republican; E. Pluribus Unum
A lot of people's pension money was put into....

--and a lot wasn't.

On balance, average home equities are at record highs and total bankruptcies are down.  The doom'n'gloom dim dem's in the press are liars.

11 posted on 03/22/2007 2:13:40 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: RegulatorCountry

Well, it is Lent, but I could use more since I've lapsed rather seriously :-).


12 posted on 03/22/2007 2:14:48 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Dick Cheney never trims his own nails. He simply stares at them until the tips melt off.")
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To: Tax-chick
Well, it is Lent, but I could use more since I've lapsed rather seriously :-)

Well, here's to much more Lent. Cheers!

13 posted on 03/22/2007 2:24:56 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Life is too short to drink bad wine!


14 posted on 03/22/2007 3:04:11 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Dick Cheney never trims his own nails. He simply stares at them until the tips melt off.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thomas Sowell, in an editorial published today and posted here, writes the following in one of his "Random Thoughts" installments:

It is fascinating to hear subprime lenders being accused of "exploitation" [and being predators] while they are losing millions of dollars and some of them are going bankrupt.

15 posted on 03/22/2007 4:49:25 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Most people have pensions. That's where their pension money is.

Has anyone run numbers on a potential demographic liquidity bomb as boomers start to withdraw their money in pension years?

16 posted on 03/22/2007 5:36:15 PM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

well - you reap....


17 posted on 03/23/2007 2:01:26 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You could be right in the sense that the Fed will try to keep the party going.

But they may to abort their baby (the dollar).


BUMP

18 posted on 03/23/2007 2:24:30 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: P.O.E.
Has anyone run numbers on a potential demographic liquidity bomb as boomers start to withdraw their money in pension years?

There was much to-do about that a few years ago, but it turns out that the boomers aren't likely to cash in en mass.

The simple fact is that there really isn't any place else to put your money. Real estate is risky because of the booms and busts. Banks pay as little interest as they can get away with. If you have a lump some of money, the only practical place to park it is stocks or bonds.

19 posted on 03/23/2007 5:45:15 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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