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To: Eccl 10:2
> So I'm to believe in a 57-dimensional model, and creationism is a fairy tale? No thanks - I'll stick with Genesis.

"Belief" doesn't apply to mathematics and physics -- those sciences don't rely on faith. Consider:

God's Love is infinite and beyond our comprehension, yet He granted us human Love as a model, to help us understand. A child can love, and in that act becomes one with God.

God's Universe includes complexities (perhaps 57-D ones) that are beyond our comprehension, yet He granted us the mathematics to describe the Universe with models, to help us understand. Mathematicians and physicists can appreciate the beauty of those models, and in doing so, appreciate the Creation itself (whether they admit it out loud or not).

I see no contradiction in believing that God created a Universe of infinite majesty and complexity, and yet inspired the author of Genesis to phrase it in a simpler way that would help all people grasp the Creation.

Nothing in this fancy 57-D mathematical model requires that in order to appreciate it, you have to give up your religious beliefs. They are not in opposition.

That said, of course you're welcome to reject the mathematics -- it's a free country.

11 posted on 03/19/2007 9:06:59 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

"Belief" doesn't apply to mathematics and physics -- those sciences don't rely on faith."

"the team used a mix of theoretical mathematics"

That relies on faith.



19 posted on 03/19/2007 9:34:16 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: dayglored

Well said!


26 posted on 03/19/2007 9:56:42 PM PDT by raftguide
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To: dayglored

"Mathematics is the language God used to write the universe."

I read this somewhere recently; don't remember who said it; very probably Albert Einstein.


27 posted on 03/19/2007 9:58:46 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: dayglored

... but the Divine intellect, by a simple apprehension of the circles's essence, knows without time-consuming reasoning all the infinity of its properties. Next, all these properties are in effect virtually included in the definitions of all things; and ultimately, through being infinite, are perhaps but one in their essence and in the Divine mind. Nor is all the above entirely unknown to the human mind either, but it is clouded with deep and thick mists ...

- Salviati at the end of the First Day of Dialogues
Concerning the Two Chief World Systems

Despite their innocuous character, these passages were seized upon as one of the textual points offensive to the Church. ... "That he asserted some equality between the Divine and the human mind in geometrical matters."

- from the notes to the Stillman Drake edition


... so tread lightly !


38 posted on 03/20/2007 12:15:21 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dayglored; Eccl 10:2

God is just the creator of mathmatics. I am sure he gets a good giggle when we finally figure new something out. The problem is we don't always get the fact that science and higher math points the way toward, not away from Him.


56 posted on 03/20/2007 8:27:22 AM PDT by myprecious
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To: dayglored

Bravo


57 posted on 03/20/2007 8:34:26 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: dayglored
Well said.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

72 posted on 03/20/2007 9:29:42 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: dayglored

I have been reading a lot of books and web sites on string theory. It all seems very interesting, all these extra dimension and so fourth. I was just curious, it is supposed that these extra dimensions could be real, I have yet to read how the first three dimensions that we take for granted in this universe are real physical things. I know that the term dimension is used in plotting locations and trajectories of objects in space on paper, but are they real physical things that exist in the real universe?

Thank you.

Steve


83 posted on 09/23/2007 4:30:53 PM PDT by Viking Sword
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