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Churchgoers less likely to support Giuliani (but he is LEADING among them too)
Baptist Press ^ | March 15, 2007 | Michael Foust

Posted on 03/16/2007 5:23:16 AM PDT by FairOpinion

Although the former New York mayor leads U.S. Sen. John McCain among all categories, his lead is only seven points (31-24) among weekly churchgoers, compared to 28 points (47-19) among those who attend church nearly weekly or monthly, and 27 points (49-22) among those who seldom or never attend church.

The data, released March 15, combined two polls of Republican voters and Republican-leaning independents -- one conducted Feb. 9-11, the other March 2-4.

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To: Halgr
Don't kid yourself. I know LOTS of Christians, including MANY in the pro-life movement---and I'm talking die-hards, who used to be "one issue" voters---who are willing to vote for Rudy.

As am I . . . if the choice is McLame or Hillary or Obama.

I was wrong in predicting 2006 elections (right in 2004 and 2002), but I don't think I'm wrong about this: those on the right, regardless of the particular issue that stirs them are looking this time out for a FIGHTER---someone who will take on libs on SOME issues and fight, not accomodate them. If I find someone who will actually FIGHT the enemy on even 40% of the issues I agree on, then that's fine. It's better than agreeing on 100% of the issues and not ever seeing the enemy defeated on anything.

Those who think Rudy will not attract conservative, evangelical, pro-gun, or pro-life votes are absolutely wrong.

And pro-Rudy people who think that Fred Thompson isn't a major viable alternative are just as wrong.

21 posted on 03/16/2007 5:51:06 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: LS

I belong to a 10000 member church.....and what you are saying isn't true where I am.


22 posted on 03/16/2007 5:54:31 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: freedomfiter2

Fred would draw from three of the main contenders immediately: Rudy, McLame, and Newt, all for different reasons. He'd draw from Newt's people because he's a conservative who can win, and from Rudy and McLame's because he's more conservative than Rudy.


23 posted on 03/16/2007 5:54:44 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: areafiftyone

And the ones that jump to Thompson did not really want to support Rudy in the first place.

I think you misread the Rudy supporters. Most are with Rudy because they think he'll win not because the want him as President. As soon as someone more to their liking looks credible, he'll start dropping in the polls which sets off a chain reaction.


24 posted on 03/16/2007 5:55:14 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: Halgr

I won't and cant support a liberal like Rino Rudy.


25 posted on 03/16/2007 5:55:58 AM PDT by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: Halgr
Well, I belong to a 3,000 member church but work actively with Catholics, teach at a Catholic University, and have a Bible-study network, and it IS true here in Ohio. Maybe you just don't want to hear?

I'll tell you something else: people in traditionally conservative churches, especially women, are often afraid to voice a favorable opinion on someone like Rudy, but you may find that in smaller groups, esp. women's Bible studies, a completely different view. There IS an intimidation factor.

And FWIW, a totally moral, 1st tier candidate for governor here in OH got CREAMED by a pro-gay, pro-choice guy. Ohio.

Don't believe the stereotypes.

26 posted on 03/16/2007 5:57:59 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: LS

Fred would draw from three of the main contenders immediately: Rudy, McLame, and Newt, all for different reasons. He'd draw from Newt's people because he's a conservative who can win, and from Rudy and McLame's because he's more conservative than Rudy.

Yes, most of Romney and McCain's supporters are there because they are right of Rudy and still seem credible.


27 posted on 03/16/2007 5:58:46 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: FairOpinion

I have not talked to one church goer yet that supports abortion. I would imagine once they hear that Rudy is an abortionist supporter, they'll change their mind. Information is power.


28 posted on 03/16/2007 6:02:24 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: showme_the_Glory
I have talked to SEVERAL (and I do mean many) who know Rudy is pro-choice and who themselves have been active (and I mean ACTIVE) in pro-life issues, but who would vote for Rudy in a second if it meant stopping Hillary. And that's a fact.

Now, around here, the common retort is, "Well, they aren't really Christians" or some such nonsense.

I learned my lesson in 2006 to ignore polls. I won't do it again. You people better figure this out: these polls showing Rudy up are pretty darn accurate. Someone has to BEAT him, because bad-mouthing him will not change anything. And so far, there is no one on the right who is coming close to beating him. Now, if Fred Thompson enters the race, that might change.

But don't fool yourselves into thinking that "churchgoers" or "pro-life" people won't support Rudy if push comes to shove.

I spoke at a VERY large county GOP convention two weeks ago here in OH and there were many people I know who were committed Christians reluctantly saying they would support Rudy.

29 posted on 03/16/2007 6:09:19 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: FairOpinion

Any candidate who wants to be taken seriously MUST prove that he can beat the top democrats!


30 posted on 03/16/2007 6:09:32 AM PDT by tkathy (Rudy/DennisMiller 2008)
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To: freedomfiter2
I think you misread the Rudy supporters. Most are with Rudy because they think he'll win not because the want him as President

That proves my point. They don't want Rudy because of who he is - they want someone to win and not because they really liked Rudy in the first place. So they don't care who it is. Listen we thought the same thing about a bunch of conservatives in 2006 and thought because they were wonderly conservative and had their perfect little families that they would sweep and win their elections and guess what - they didn't win. Don't depend too much on Thompson to beat Hillary or any Democrat because you might be surprised at the lack of response in the U.S. to him running. FR is not the rest of the U.S. The excitement here might not be carried over to the rest of the country.

31 posted on 03/16/2007 6:09:48 AM PDT by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: areafiftyone
I agree that Fred would have to show in polls he could beat Hillary.

That said, what do YOU do if that comes to pass? I'd take Fred over Rudy in a heartbeat.

32 posted on 03/16/2007 6:14:54 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: areafiftyone

Don't depend too much on Thompson to beat Hillary or any Democrat because you might be surprised at the lack of response in the U.S. to him running. FR is not the rest of the U.S. The excitement here might not be carried over to the rest of the country.

You maybe right. We'll know soon enough if Thompson gets in.


33 posted on 03/16/2007 6:15:57 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: FairOpinion

If you think the ONLY question is "WHO CAN BEAT HILLARY" then things are much worse than I thought.
Then again, maybe thats all rudy supporters have on their side....Put fear into the voters by saying that if they dont vote for Rudy, they are going to get stuck with hillary. Not the best politcal strategy IMO.


MM


34 posted on 03/16/2007 6:16:35 AM PDT by motormouth (It's not true that life is one damn thing after another; it is one damn thing over and over.)
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To: FairOpinion

yuk. A no-go from many angles for me.
I'll stay home first.


35 posted on 03/16/2007 6:16:45 AM PDT by MudPuppy (St Michael Protect Us!)
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To: freedomfiter2

If Thompson gets in and he wins the nomination he gets my vote of course. But I don't see much excitement outside with the man on the street. They don't even know that he was a Senator - they think of him as a Hollywood actor.


36 posted on 03/16/2007 6:20:38 AM PDT by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: FairOpinion; All

Sitting in church does not make one a Christian any more than sitting in a garage turns one into a '57 Chevy.

Christians who live their Faith, who know the Word of God, fully understand that Rudy's social positions are diametrically opposed to the moral standards of the Bible.

Would Jesus defend the 'right' of a woman to have a partial birth abortion (infanticide) committed on her nearly born child?

No.

But Rudy does.


37 posted on 03/16/2007 6:21:30 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: LS

Evangelicals are Southern Baptists, Assembly of God, Four Square.

Catholics are not what I consider conservatives.

And Ohio is not a conservative stronghold...sheesh...no wonder you have such a distorted world view.


38 posted on 03/16/2007 6:24:11 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: areafiftyone

If Thompson gets in and he wins the nomination he gets my vote of course. But I don't see much excitement outside with the man on the street. They don't even know that he was a Senator - they think of him as a Hollywood actor.

At this point, excitement on the street isn't important. It's not something that can be sustained. The politically active are what sets the tone this far out.


39 posted on 03/16/2007 6:28:53 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: LS
I spoke at a VERY large county GOP convention two weeks ago here in OH and there were many people I know who were committed Christians reluctantly saying they would support Rudy.

I think you make some very valid points, but soliciting opinions at a county GOP convention, from committed Christians or anyone else, is going to yield skewed results.

Based on the poll data to this point I think it's fair to say that a significant percentage of GOP voters are still unaware of Giuliani's positions on many issues. If his support is softer among regular church goers it stands to reason that support will soften more as his views become widely known. Enough to derail his candidacy? I don't know, but it won't help.

Additionally, there's more to winning than garnering "reluctant" support. Many of those church goers and pro-lifers are the boots on the ground necessary to generate and sustain momemtum. Rudy may well get their votes, but if he doesn't get their sweat he's still in trouble.

40 posted on 03/16/2007 6:30:32 AM PDT by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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