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These Legs Were Made For Fighting: Human Ancestors Had Short Legs For Combat
Science Daily ^ | 3-12-2007 | University Of Utah

Posted on 03/12/2007 6:25:00 PM PDT by blam

Source: University of Utah
Date: March 12, 2007

These Legs Were Made For Fighting: Human Ancestors Had Short Legs For Combat, Not Just Climbing

Science Daily — Ape-like human ancestors known as australopiths maintained short legs for 2 million years because a squat physique and stance helped the males fight over access to females, a University of Utah study concludes.

This drawing of a male gorilla skeleton illustrates their very short legs. Male gorillas fight to gain access to reproductively mature females. Relatively short legs increase the stability and strength of great apes, and should therefore increase fighting performance. A new University of Utah study suggests human ancestors known as australopiths had short legs for the same reason, not just for climbing trees. (Credit: From Alfred Brehm, "Brehms Tierleben" ("Brehm's Life of Animals"), small edition, 1927)"The old argument was that they retained short legs to help them climb trees that still were an important part of their habitat," says David Carrier, a professor of biology. "My argument is that they retained short legs because short legs helped them fight."

The study analyzed leg lengths and indicators of aggression in nine primate species, including human aborigines. It is in the March issue of the journal Evolution.

Creatures in the genus Australopithecus -- immediate predecessors of the human genus Homo -- had heights of about 3 feet 9 inches for females and 4 feet 6 inches for males. They lived from 4 million to 2 million years ago.

"For that entire period, they had relatively short legs -- longer than chimps' legs but shorter than the legs of humans that came later," Carrier says.

"So the question is, why did australopiths retain short legs for 2 million years? Among experts on primates, the climbing hypothesis is the explanation. Mechanically, it makes sense. If you are walking on a branch high above the ground, stability is important because if you fall and you're big, you are going to die. Short legs would lower your center of mass and make you more stable."

Yet Carrier says his research suggests short legs helped australopiths fight because "with short legs, your center of mass is closer to the ground. It's going to make you more stable so that you can't be knocked off your feet as easily. And with short legs, you have greater leverage as you grapple with your opponent."

While Carrier says his aggression hypothesis does not rule out the possibility that short legs aided climbing, but "evidence is poor because the apes that have the shortest legs for their body size spend the least time in trees -- male gorillas and orangutans."

He also notes that short legs must have made it harder for australopiths "to bridge gaps between possible sites of support when climbing and traveling through the canopy."

Nevertheless, he writes, "The two hypotheses for the evolution of relatively short legs in larger primates, specialization for climbing and specialization for aggression, are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, selection for climbing performance may result in the evolution of a body configuration that improves fighting performance and vice versa."

Great Apes' Short Legs Provide Evidence for Australopith Aggression All modern great apes -- humans, chimps, orangutans, gorillas and bonobos -- engage in at least some aggression as males compete for females, Carrier says.

Carrier set out to find how aggression related to leg length. He compared Australian aborigines with eight primate species: gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos, orangutans, black gibbons, siamang gibbons, olive baboons and dwarf guenon monkeys. Carrier used data on aborigines because they are a relatively natural population.

For the aborigines and each primate species, Carrier used the scientific literature to obtain typical hindlimb lengths and data on two physical features that previously have been shown to correlate with male-male competition and aggressiveness in primates:

The weight difference between males and females in a species. Earlier studies found males fight more in species with larger male-female body size ratios. The male-female difference in the length of canine teeth, which are next to the incisors and are used for biting during fights. Carrier used male-female body size ratios and canine tooth size ratios as numerical indicators for aggressiveness because field studies of primates have used varying criteria to rate aggression. He says it would be like having a different set of judges for each competitor in subjective Olympic events like diving or ice dancing.

The study found that hindlimb length correlated inversely with both indicators of aggressiveness: Primate species with greater male-female differences in body weight and length of the canine teeth had shorter legs, and thus display more male-male combat.

There was no correlation between arm length and the indicators of aggression. Carrier says arms are used for fighting, but "for other things as well: climbing, handling food, grooming. Thus, arm length is not related to aggression in any simple way."

Verifying the Findings

Carrier conducted various statistical analyses to verify his findings. First, he corrected for each species' limb lengths relative to their body size. Primates with larger body sizes tend to have shorter legs, humans excepted. Without taking that into account, the correlation between body size and aggression indicators might be false.

Another analysis corrected for the fact different primate species are related. For example, if three closely related species all have short legs, it might be due to the relationship -- an ancestor with short legs -- and not aggression.

Even with the corrections, short legs still correlated significantly with the two indicators of aggressiveness.

The study also found that females in each primate species except humans have relatively longer legs than males. "If it is mainly the males that need to be adapted for fighting, then you'd expect them to have shorter legs for their body size," Carrier says.

He notes there are exceptions to that rule. Bonobos have shorter legs than chimps, yet they are less aggressive. Carrier says the correlation between short legs and aggression may be imperfect because legs are used for many other purposes than fighting.

Humans "are a special case" and are not less aggressive because they have longer legs, Carrier says. There is a physical tradeoff between aggression and economical walking and running. Short, squat australopiths were strong and able to stand their ground when shoved, but their short legs made them ill-suited for distance running. Slender, long-legged humans excel at running. Yet, they also excel at fighting. In a 2004 study, Carrier made a case that australopiths evolved into lithe, long-legged early humans only when they learned to make weapons and fight with them.

Now he argues that even though australopiths walked upright on the ground, the reason they retained short legs for 2 million years was not so much that they spent time in trees, but "the same thing that selected for short legs in the other great apes: male-male aggression and competition over access to reproductively active females."

In other words, shorter legs increased the odds of victory when males fought over access to females -- access that meant passing their genetic traits to offspring.

Yet, "we don't really know how aggressive australopiths were," Carrier says. "If they were more aggressive than modern humans, they were exceptionally nasty animals."

Why Should We Care that Australopiths Were Short and Nasty?

"Given the aggressive behavior of modern humans and apes, we should not be surprised to find fossil evidence of aggressive behavior in the ancestors of modern humans," Carrier says. "This is important because we have a real problem with violence in modern society. Part of the problem is that we don't recognize we are relatively violent animals. Many people argue we are not violent. But we are violent. If we want to prevent future violence we have to understand why we are violent."

"To some extent, our evolutionary past may help us to understand the circumstances in which humans behave violently," he adds. "There are a number of independent lines of evidence suggesting that much of human violence is related to male-male competition, and this study is consistent with that."

Nevertheless, male-male competition doesn't fully explain human violence, Carrier says, noting other factors such as hunting, competing with other species, defending territory and other resources, and feeding and protecting offspring.


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To: blam

I'm 63 inches tall.
32 inches of that is leg.
What were my ancestors?
Tree frogs?

[a weird old rhyme my dad always said to me; "Poor Tom Toddy; all legs and no body"].....;))


61 posted on 03/13/2007 10:24:15 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.......)
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To: Hoplite
LOL ! Luv those little guys
62 posted on 03/13/2007 11:07:41 PM PDT by investigateworld (Those Border Patrol guys will do more time than the worst Jap POW camp commander, thanks Bush!.....)
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To: blam
I resent being told we are related to what that picture represents.

It may have been an ape that is related to apes.

How many pieces of bones did they recover in order to come up with that drawing?

63 posted on 03/14/2007 6:04:16 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Ken522

My son and his Uncle both do. You should see him in a fight - Black Belt.


64 posted on 03/14/2007 6:26:20 AM PDT by IncredibleHulk (Political correctness is just Liberal spin.)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam
Yet Carrier says his research suggests short legs helped australopiths fight because "with short legs, your center of mass is closer to the ground. It's going to make you more stable so that you can't be knocked off your feet as easily. And with short legs, you have greater leverage as you grapple with your opponent."

A problem I see with this argument is that it only takes grappling into account (and even there it is debatable whether short legs are as big a determinant in grappling as the article implies). Apes don't fight exclusively by grappling. It is natural for them to swing their arms and sticks, which make reach and upper-body strength other factors in fighting. Serious gorilla fights are settled by biting. (And Tarzan used a knife as an equalizer of course, LOL.) But most gorilla fights don't get that serious: intimidation ends most fights before they begin, which is the purpose of the chest-thumping, etc. (" Because of their sharp canines and great strength, gorilla males are very dangerous opponents when they are in a fighting mood. Therefore, most differences of opinion are not resolved by fighting, but by displaying and other threat behaviour patterns, without anyone getting injured. Gorillas are famous for their display behaviour culminating in the chest beating and loud hooting. The chestbeat sounds especially impressive in silverback males. Severe aggression is very rare in stable gorilla groups, but when two groups meet, the leading silverbacks can sometimes engage in a fight to the death, mainly using their sharp canines to cause deep, gaping injuries.": http://www.berggorilla.org/english/faq/dvers/fragen/kampf.html) So IMO the real survival advantage here would be the ability to out-intimidate the opponent, not sheer grappling ability.

65 posted on 03/14/2007 12:02:45 PM PDT by Fedora (Kreegah! Tarzan bundolo!)
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To: devane617
Short legged women with big butts. Works for me.

God Bless You.

I must admit that my own center of gravity is rather close to the ground. I've always attributed it to my German ancestors. :-)

66 posted on 03/14/2007 7:30:08 PM PDT by bannie
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To: blam

5' 8", 240 lb. bump!


67 posted on 03/14/2007 7:31:54 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: devane617
Magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri,
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur,
cum puella incedit minore medio corpore
sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos.

De clunibus magnis amandis oratio: The immortal post

68 posted on 03/14/2007 7:37:43 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Fedora

In addition, short legs have previously been attributed to arboreal ancestors. I regard this as speculation at best. :')


69 posted on 03/15/2007 8:08:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Sunday, March 11, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam
"Ape-like human ancestors known as australopiths maintained short legs for 2 million years because a squat physique and stance helped the males fight over access to females, a University of Utah study concludes."

That seems like an odd conclusion to me...I usually dress to accent the length of my legs when trying to gain access to females...


70 posted on 03/15/2007 8:17:33 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: blam

Okay, sure. So what do the GEICO Cavemen have to say about this?

(too easy)


71 posted on 03/15/2007 8:31:13 AM PDT by billygoatgruff
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To: RunningWolf; Constitution Day
Wow look at those very tiny feet.

How could he fight for mates?

72 posted on 03/15/2007 8:36:11 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

LOL!!


73 posted on 03/15/2007 10:56:00 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Hoplite
Nothing worse than a pack of feral wiener dogs. They can strip the meat off of a carcase up to the top of the ankles within seconds.
74 posted on 03/15/2007 11:10:12 AM PDT by Busywhiskers (Strength and honor.)
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