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Judge warns of child-abusing homeschoolers
World Net Daily ^ | March 10, 2007 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 03/11/2007 11:50:14 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

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To: jude24; GladesGuru
That was when education was optional, and a person could make a living with a 3rd-grade education. It is impossible to make a living without at least a high school education, ...

Except today's high school education is about equivalent to yesteryear's 3rd grade education. Perhaps your experience being homeschooled has not allowed you to see the disgraceful condition many public school's are graduating. If you want to know what that's like, as some of the people on these threads who teach at colleges see. I remember what I saw 20+ years ago finishing up my college degree and that was before homeschooling was even heard of. It was horrendous then.

There are far too many parents who don't give a damn about their kids. Allowing those parents to "homeschool" is incredibly dangerous.

How is it any different than allowing them to send their kids to public schools? The kids who do the best there have parents who are involved in their education. Thinking that sending those kids to public schools somehow educates them or protects them from abusive parents is pretty out of touch with reality.

The question is whether this governmental interference is reasonable or not. I maintain it is.

It is not. It's a government of the people, for the people, and by the people. It is not supposed to be an entity concerning itself with the daily affairs of people and meddling in their private business.

When cases of abuse come to the attention of the authorities, yes, something should be done, but giving up our freedoms and privacy and right to love our lives as we choose is too high a price to pay in an attempt to stop some people from doing bad things. They're going to happen anyway and the rest of us will end up living in the USSA. Ever read Brave New World or 1984? That's what you're promoting. You can argue for governmental interference all you wan but you're not going to find much support for it on this forum.

101 posted on 03/11/2007 8:02:24 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: jude24
Tell that to the little girl whose dad crawls into her bed every night.

Happens to public school kids and I know of families that it happened to. Sending them to public school never stopped it or caught it.

Bad excuse to regulate homeschooling and families.

102 posted on 03/11/2007 8:05:08 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: jude24
Tell that to the little girl whose dad crawls into her bed every night.

Happens to public school kids and I know of families that it happened to. Sending them to public school never stopped it or caught it.

Bad excuse to regulate homeschooling and families.

103 posted on 03/11/2007 8:05:21 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wintertime

So?....What happens to government schooled kids who fail their standardized exams? Should they be forced to homeschool?


No but the school involved should lose it's authority to educate children.


104 posted on 03/11/2007 8:05:50 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: freedomfiter2; wintertime
No but the school involved should lose it's authority to educate children.

You'd be shutting down about every public school in the nation, then.

The solution to homeschooled families who fail to homeschool their kids *adequately* is to send the to public schools but no one ever has any answers to what the penalty for schools should be for the same infraction.

105 posted on 03/11/2007 8:09:15 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: jude24
It by no means is intended to be a slur against the overwhelming majority of homeschoolers who are good and decent folks - but it is a well-deserved slur upon those few who are monsters.

The reason we homeschoolers take this so personally is because it is SO unusual among homeschoolers, that we don't like being tarred with that brush. That would be like tarring ALL parents who send their kids to public schools with the same brush as those parents who park their kids there for baby sitting, and don't have any involvement with the school OR their kids' work. The VAST majority of parents of public schooled kids are not like this, and would resent being characterized as such.

106 posted on 03/11/2007 8:10:10 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: metmom

You'd be shutting down about every public school in the nation, then.


Exactly. If there's anything that shouldn't be socialized, it's education.


107 posted on 03/11/2007 8:15:18 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: metmom

You'd be shutting down about every public school in the nation, then.


Exactly. If there's anything that shouldn't be socialized, it's education. It's too important to put into the hands of government beauracrats.


108 posted on 03/11/2007 8:16:22 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: pabianice
Clinton appointee, I'd bet.

Lodge member, too, I'd bet.

109 posted on 03/11/2007 9:00:59 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Pete98
Because if the test is written to ensure homeschooled kids fail, then they're playing against a stacked deck.

Oh please! Anyone can get a grade equivilent exam available from a public school. The state would face a huge lawsuit for applying un-equal standards in testing. Theres no way in hell the state would risk giving a 7th grade equivilent test to a home schooled 4th grader and expect it to be the equivilent standard without being forced to apply the same standard to the public school kids.

110 posted on 03/12/2007 12:29:39 AM PDT by Bommer (Global Warming: The only warming phenomena that occurs in the Summer and ends in the Winter!)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Actually, it's a legitimate concern. The overwhelming majority of home-schoolers are motivated by a desire to ensure their childrens' well-being. But there are a few parents who do use homeschooling to cover abuse.

Maybe a few out of millions, but the state can call for a examination of children, but you as a parent have a right to choose your doctor (not some state sponsored goon)...

You have the right to refuse entry into your house (unless by court order).

I personally use the Home School Defense fund to protect my family against unlawful intrusions into our raising of our children.

Good money in today's society to protect us from those that would take advantage of this situation to steal rights.

111 posted on 03/12/2007 12:42:09 AM PDT by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: Bommer
How are you giving up a liberty to ask a child to take a test to prove he/she is being taught?

Very simple, Homeschooling parents know that if your child is slow to grasp one thing, you do pound it into them when they are not ready. You switch gears, teach what they can grasp at that time, and wait until they are of age to grab the information in large chunks later on.

My 7y/o is doing leaps and bounds in math, he now almost knows his multiplication tables to 12 X 12 by heart. He has a very firm grasp on fractions too. But... He is trudging slowly through reading.... but that is ok, we don't push until frustration hits on spelling yet, we know it will come in leaps and bounds later. Science is another strong point of my boy, and I can tell there is gonna be no stopping his wonder and development.

But the failure of schools to adapt a child by child basic learning program tends to push brilliant (in certain areas) children behind others.

The beauty of HS teaching is to max your child's abilities at the right time. It is the ability to teach outside the four walls in real world examples. It is the ability to form connections with other home schoolers to max your core values.

Locally there is HS proms, HS sports, and HS church groups that band together to teach. Almost twice a month our kids attend HS field trips to interesting places.

It is freedom, at it's inner most core.

BTW... we do test, we do take notes, we do submit to our groups requirements. But we did so voluntarily and I will fight to keep it that way so busybodies like you mind your own ..... business.

112 posted on 03/12/2007 1:03:56 AM PDT by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: LowOiL

You do NOT pound it into them when they are not ready is what I meant to say above.


113 posted on 03/12/2007 1:05:34 AM PDT by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: Bommer; Pete98
Theres no way in hell the state would risk giving a 7th grade equivilent test to a home schooled 4th grader and expect it to be the equivilent standard without being forced to apply the same standard to the public school kids.
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The government school bureaucrats will **never** demand testing of homeschoolers. In fact, they will lobby against it.

Why?

Because the government school educrats do NOT want to be embarrassed by the flamingly outstanding performance of homeschoolers. It is the same reason that we don't have mandatory testing of private schools now.
114 posted on 03/12/2007 5:37:34 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: mtg

I agree.


115 posted on 03/12/2007 5:42:28 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: LowOiL

My 7y/o is doing leaps and bounds in math, he now almost knows his multiplication tables to 12 X 12 by heart. He has a very firm grasp on fractions too. But... He is trudging slowly through reading....

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My two boys were this way. The oldest was government schooled and his confidence was permanently damaged. The younger, at about 10, zoomed ahead in reading.

While my husband and I worked daily on reading with our younger boy, we knew when we were approaching the frustration point and backed off. If he had been institutionalized for his education, he would have been in a highly competitive environment and might have just given up.


116 posted on 03/12/2007 5:43:13 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: wintertime

While my husband and I worked daily on reading with our younger boy, we knew when we were approaching the frustration point and backed off. If he had been institutionalized for his education, he would have been in a highly competitive environment and might have just given up.


Ben Franklin was in his mid teens before he was ready to read and it didn't seem to hold him back.


117 posted on 03/12/2007 6:23:46 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: fromscratchmom

Ping!


118 posted on 03/12/2007 6:24:40 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: freedomfiter2
Ben Franklin was in his mid teens before he was ready to read and it didn't seem to hold him back.

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There are many historical examples. Thomas Edison was another.

My oldest boy, ( institutionalized for his education) didn't show an interest in reading until age 11. It was like switching on a light. One day, he "got it".

Unfortunately, by age 11, his confidence in his ability was permanently destroyed by the government school.
119 posted on 03/12/2007 7:02:05 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: PGalt

while it is true that some negligent parents or child abusers (Michael Devlin) may use homeschooling as a "cover", it is also true that abuse that occurs in the schools does not get reported as well.

If this judge wants to use one case to condemn homeschooling, why is he not using the dozens of cases of sexual abuse in the schools to do the same?

It wasn't just oversight by school officials that failed this kid...where were extended family members? neighbors?
DSS case workers?

It isn't just the school that come in contact with kids.


120 posted on 03/12/2007 7:08:39 AM PDT by Scotswife
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