Posted on 03/11/2007 11:50:14 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
Except today's high school education is about equivalent to yesteryear's 3rd grade education. Perhaps your experience being homeschooled has not allowed you to see the disgraceful condition many public school's are graduating. If you want to know what that's like, as some of the people on these threads who teach at colleges see. I remember what I saw 20+ years ago finishing up my college degree and that was before homeschooling was even heard of. It was horrendous then.
There are far too many parents who don't give a damn about their kids. Allowing those parents to "homeschool" is incredibly dangerous.
How is it any different than allowing them to send their kids to public schools? The kids who do the best there have parents who are involved in their education. Thinking that sending those kids to public schools somehow educates them or protects them from abusive parents is pretty out of touch with reality.
The question is whether this governmental interference is reasonable or not. I maintain it is.
It is not. It's a government of the people, for the people, and by the people. It is not supposed to be an entity concerning itself with the daily affairs of people and meddling in their private business.
When cases of abuse come to the attention of the authorities, yes, something should be done, but giving up our freedoms and privacy and right to love our lives as we choose is too high a price to pay in an attempt to stop some people from doing bad things. They're going to happen anyway and the rest of us will end up living in the USSA. Ever read Brave New World or 1984? That's what you're promoting. You can argue for governmental interference all you wan but you're not going to find much support for it on this forum.
Happens to public school kids and I know of families that it happened to. Sending them to public school never stopped it or caught it.
Bad excuse to regulate homeschooling and families.
Happens to public school kids and I know of families that it happened to. Sending them to public school never stopped it or caught it.
Bad excuse to regulate homeschooling and families.
So?....What happens to government schooled kids who fail their standardized exams? Should they be forced to homeschool?
No but the school involved should lose it's authority to educate children.
You'd be shutting down about every public school in the nation, then.
The solution to homeschooled families who fail to homeschool their kids *adequately* is to send the to public schools but no one ever has any answers to what the penalty for schools should be for the same infraction.
The reason we homeschoolers take this so personally is because it is SO unusual among homeschoolers, that we don't like being tarred with that brush. That would be like tarring ALL parents who send their kids to public schools with the same brush as those parents who park their kids there for baby sitting, and don't have any involvement with the school OR their kids' work. The VAST majority of parents of public schooled kids are not like this, and would resent being characterized as such.
You'd be shutting down about every public school in the nation, then.
Exactly. If there's anything that shouldn't be socialized, it's education.
You'd be shutting down about every public school in the nation, then.
Exactly. If there's anything that shouldn't be socialized, it's education. It's too important to put into the hands of government beauracrats.
Lodge member, too, I'd bet.
Oh please! Anyone can get a grade equivilent exam available from a public school. The state would face a huge lawsuit for applying un-equal standards in testing. Theres no way in hell the state would risk giving a 7th grade equivilent test to a home schooled 4th grader and expect it to be the equivilent standard without being forced to apply the same standard to the public school kids.
Maybe a few out of millions, but the state can call for a examination of children, but you as a parent have a right to choose your doctor (not some state sponsored goon)...
You have the right to refuse entry into your house (unless by court order).
I personally use the Home School Defense fund to protect my family against unlawful intrusions into our raising of our children.
Good money in today's society to protect us from those that would take advantage of this situation to steal rights.
Very simple, Homeschooling parents know that if your child is slow to grasp one thing, you do pound it into them when they are not ready. You switch gears, teach what they can grasp at that time, and wait until they are of age to grab the information in large chunks later on.
My 7y/o is doing leaps and bounds in math, he now almost knows his multiplication tables to 12 X 12 by heart. He has a very firm grasp on fractions too. But... He is trudging slowly through reading.... but that is ok, we don't push until frustration hits on spelling yet, we know it will come in leaps and bounds later. Science is another strong point of my boy, and I can tell there is gonna be no stopping his wonder and development.
But the failure of schools to adapt a child by child basic learning program tends to push brilliant (in certain areas) children behind others.
The beauty of HS teaching is to max your child's abilities at the right time. It is the ability to teach outside the four walls in real world examples. It is the ability to form connections with other home schoolers to max your core values.
Locally there is HS proms, HS sports, and HS church groups that band together to teach. Almost twice a month our kids attend HS field trips to interesting places.
It is freedom, at it's inner most core.
BTW... we do test, we do take notes, we do submit to our groups requirements. But we did so voluntarily and I will fight to keep it that way so busybodies like you mind your own ..... business.
You do NOT pound it into them when they are not ready is what I meant to say above.
I agree.
My 7y/o is doing leaps and bounds in math, he now almost knows his multiplication tables to 12 X 12 by heart. He has a very firm grasp on fractions too. But... He is trudging slowly through reading....
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My two boys were this way. The oldest was government schooled and his confidence was permanently damaged. The younger, at about 10, zoomed ahead in reading.
While my husband and I worked daily on reading with our younger boy, we knew when we were approaching the frustration point and backed off. If he had been institutionalized for his education, he would have been in a highly competitive environment and might have just given up.
While my husband and I worked daily on reading with our younger boy, we knew when we were approaching the frustration point and backed off. If he had been institutionalized for his education, he would have been in a highly competitive environment and might have just given up.
Ben Franklin was in his mid teens before he was ready to read and it didn't seem to hold him back.
Ping!
while it is true that some negligent parents or child abusers (Michael Devlin) may use homeschooling as a "cover", it is also true that abuse that occurs in the schools does not get reported as well.
If this judge wants to use one case to condemn homeschooling, why is he not using the dozens of cases of sexual abuse in the schools to do the same?
It wasn't just oversight by school officials that failed this kid...where were extended family members? neighbors?
DSS case workers?
It isn't just the school that come in contact with kids.
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