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'Celebration' banned for Jamestown's 400th--You can't celebrate an invasion
Worldnetdaily ^ | 3-8-07 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 03/08/2007 5:24:52 AM PST by SJackson

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To: Corin Stormhands
A lot of people carry that oral history with them, and that's why they use the word 'invasion,' because it truly was an invasion, and I'm sure some of the Indian people will probably want to tell that as a part of the story of 400 years."

Maybe “a lot”, by numbers - not “a lot” by percentage. I know and have know a lot of people of American Indian ancestry - including my late wife (Seminole). I never actually met an American Indian who preferred the term “Native American”. I never met one who carried a grudge for what happened centuries ago.

61 posted on 03/08/2007 11:19:32 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: SJackson

Man, you just can't make this crap up!


62 posted on 03/08/2007 11:28:06 AM PST by Big Mack (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain TO EAT VEGETABLES!)
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To: R. Scott
I never actually met an American Indian who preferred the term “Native American”.

We had a dear friend, also now deceased, who was involved with the Virginia Council on Indians. She explained to me that "American Indian" is the politically correct term in Virginia.

63 posted on 03/08/2007 11:44:29 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://www.virginiaisforrudy.com * http://wardsmythe.com)
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To: Big Mack; SJackson
Man, you just can't make this crap up!

Oh, yes they can.

64 posted on 03/08/2007 11:45:06 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://www.virginiaisforrudy.com * http://wardsmythe.com)
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To: SJackson

So...liberals don't celebrate the Mexican/illegal invasion of our country by throwing "May-Day" celebrations?


65 posted on 03/08/2007 11:48:19 AM PST by rbosque
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To: dinoparty

My family and I are planning to attend the Jamestown 400th.... however, there is no mistaking that many native populations were destroyed due to war and disease brought by the Europeans. Gotta call a duck a duck.


66 posted on 03/08/2007 11:49:12 AM PST by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Conservative!!!)
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To: SJackson

Looks like the Ward Churchill POV has won.


67 posted on 03/08/2007 11:51:27 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Military family member

It’s true there was encroachment by settlers on lands claimed by the Indians as their hunting grounds, but in NO way can this be morally compared to the massacre, torture and kidnapping of many thousands of people by the Indians. The vast majority of those killed by the Indians in the massacres were NOT encroaching on Indian lands.

Suppose you own a vast ranch upon which you graze wide-ranging herds of cattle. One day you discover there are families that have moved onto the edges of your land. Are you morally justified in killing, torturing and kidnapping these people? And not only these people, but thousands of other people who are not even on your land?

It is wrong to pick out isolated events later on in the long history of the relations with the Indians (such as the “blankets with smallpox” incidents) and claim these events balanced things out with the Indians. The die was cast long before BY the Indians themselves in the 1750s, 1760s and 1770s and everything else progressed from the foundation that was laid in those years. There was an opportunity in those years to achieve a modus vivendi with the colonists and avoid the large-scale bloodshed that occurred, but the most war-like of the Indians chose to ally themselves with the cynical and calculating French and then later the British monarchy. The prevailing aim of these Indians was to exterminate the settlers. Traditional Indian culture celebrated the killing of other humans above all other activities. Only in Indian culture was a man who sneaks up behind a farmer in his field and buries his tomahawk in the other man’s brain considered an “honored warrior.”

The Indians perpetrated savage cruelties upon a huge number of people, all along the frontier. These Indians in their barbarities stooped to the very lowest levels of human behavior, and did their very level best to earn the undying enmity of the frontier people. From these brutalized frontier communities would arise people such as Andrew Jackson, who would later find himself in a position of influence over the destiny of many of these Indian tribes.


68 posted on 03/08/2007 12:37:13 PM PST by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: SJackson
The Indians should be happy we did not allow them to completely eat each other out of existence. And the coloreds (naacp says they are colored) were brought to a better place than Africa has ever been. It worked out that all people who came to these shores were better off than they would have been in their former countries.
69 posted on 03/08/2007 1:19:32 PM PST by Lewite (Praise YAHWEH and Proclaim His Wonderful Name! Islam, the end time Beast-the harlot of Babylon.)
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To: Corin Stormhands

>fretting over the use of one word is just a bit silly.<

I'd bet Ann Coulter would heartily agree with you (c;


70 posted on 03/08/2007 1:20:45 PM PST by Darnright
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To: Corin Stormhands

One of the reasons I enjoy being a Virginian.


71 posted on 03/08/2007 1:49:13 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: SJackson
Semantics, semantics. Jamestown is going to be "commemorated" and that's darned close to a celebration. Both the US government and Virginia have used the word "celebration," and if they weasel out now, it's only a technicality.
72 posted on 03/08/2007 1:56:09 PM PST by x
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To: Military family member; SirJohnBarleycorn
". . .let's not ignore the fact that the Native peoples were not always treated with fairness."

For MFM. Okay, so we did not treat the indians fairly.

In the bigger picture of continental expansion, we were not alone. Other nations also had covetous designs on what is now the US. Brits, French, Mexicans, Spanish and Russians challenged our young nation's various expansion attempts. That the indians would be eventually conquered by others was never in question. Had we not expanded across indian lands, they would have been conquered by other advanced nations and the US would not have any Pacific Ocean ports. As a nation we did the right thing.
73 posted on 03/08/2007 2:02:23 PM PST by Jacquerie (US v. Libby, America's first Soviet style show trial.)
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To: SJackson
Consider the source. World Nut Daily implies that the anniversary is being observed with great wailing and gnashing of teeth, but the Jamestown 2007 Web site lists more than a year's worth of fireworks, concerts, an arts festival, and a golf tournament. And, yes, exhibits and discussions of the effects on blacks and Indians.

The calendar at that site lists scores of events, of which a scant few fit the picture WND paints.

74 posted on 03/08/2007 2:16:15 PM PST by ReignOfError (`)
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To: Military family member

And not one wheel anywhere in their nation.


75 posted on 03/08/2007 2:22:55 PM PST by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: R. Scott
I know and have know a lot of people of American Indian ancestry - including my late wife (Seminole). I never actually met an American Indian who preferred the term “Native American”.

I, too, have never met an American Indian who prefers "native American." Most prefer to be referred to by their specific affiliation (Seminole, Cherokee, Navajo) rather than by any blanket term; but if a generic term is the only one available, American Indian is just fine. I occasionally run across "Amerind," but it's mostly faded along with Afro-American, Chicano, and all the other fad terms that sprung up during the '70s.

76 posted on 03/08/2007 2:24:08 PM PST by ReignOfError (`)
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To: SJackson; indcons; Chani; thefactor; blam; aculeus; ELS; Doctor Raoul; mainepatsfan; timpad; ...

The RevWar/Colonial History/General Washington ping list

Freepmail me to get on or off this list.

And what about the invasion of this Eden-like continent by the people from Asia who came here before there were any humans? They made several species extinct, didn't they? We should not celebrate their invasion either...

77 posted on 03/08/2007 2:34:21 PM PST by Pharmboy ([She turned me into a] Newt! in '08)
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To: Pharmboy

bump


78 posted on 03/08/2007 2:59:22 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: SJackson
Nope, not Norway. First off, the Saami & Norwegians are from different gene pools. Norway was a Danish colony for many years. Later, after supporting Napoleon it became a holding of the Swedish crown.

I don't think anyone was living on Iceland when some Norwegians found it & settled it.

79 posted on 03/08/2007 3:00:58 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: Military family member
With all due respect, the Eastern tribes were not wandering. Their villages were organized on grids. They were heavy into agriculture.

That doesn't mean they weren't wandering. They exploited the soil and wood in an area for a while, then moved on to another area. After burning down the forests in a new area, they had newly fertilized lands.

As a review of Cronon's Changes in the Land: Indians, Colonists, and the Ecology of New England points out:

"[...] for thousands of years, the people and animals of New England had traveled at will over a land sheltered by native trees and fertilized by fire. This migratory lifestyle was not only made possible by the richness of the land, it was a force for its active maintenance."

80 posted on 03/08/2007 3:09:46 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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