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No deal, Rudy
Catholic Online ^ | 3/6/2007

Posted on 03/06/2007 5:39:37 PM PST by markomalley

They are saying that the next GOP presidential candidate might very well be a pro-abortion Republican who promises not to push that issue and is strong on other issues.

They hope that pro-lifers will “be reasonable,” not let the perfect be the enemy of the good, and go along quietly.

We won’t.

Republicans and Democrats in 1980 took radically different approaches to the right to life. Republicans wrote into their party platform that all abortions should be outlawed. Democrats wrote into their party platform that not only should abortion be legal, but families should be forced to pay for others’ abortions through their taxes.

Democratic leaders have been utterly committed to their party platform. But there’s a movement afoot for Republicans to shrug off this plank of the party platform altogether, and give a pro-abortion politician the reins of the party and, they hope, the White House.

In particular, Rudy Giuliani has become a favorite for president of conservative talk-show hosts, and pro-war and tough-on-crime Republicans. He’s also way ahead in polls like Newsweek’s, though it’s anyone guess what such polls mean so early in the process.

The way the pro-Rudy argument goes is this: For the past three decades, social conservatives have had the luxury of insisting on purity in the Republican Party. Their clout was such that any candidate had to undergo a “forced conversion” before running for national office. But 9/11 changed that. Now, extremist Islam and the war on terror are such all-consuming issues, and we can’t be so caught up with abortion anymore.

Since Giuliani is committed to the war on terror and is a great crisis manager with a track record rooting out the gangs of New York, we shouldn’t demand that he be pro-life, but instead we should be willing to make a deal.

Rudy’s deal: He’ll promise not to push the pro-abortion agenda, and he’ll nominate judges in the mold of Samuel Alito and John Roberts. Pro-lifers in the Republican Party in return would support him, but keep insisting that the party stay pro-life, and fight our fiercest pro-life battles at the state level, where they belong.

That seems like a good deal, at first blush. We’re well aware that “forced conversions” to the pro-life fold are far from the ideal. Think of the candidacy of Bob Dole in 1996. And it is true that the fight against judicial tyranny is an immense front in the battle for the right to life. Transforming the courts is a prerequisite to victory elsewhere.

But what dooms the deal from the start is the fact that it totally misunderstands what pro-lifers care about in the first place.

When they ask us to “be reasonable” and go along with a pro-abortion leader, they assume that there is something unreasonable about the pro-life position to start with.

We’re sorry, but we don’t see what is so unreasonable about the right to life. We’ve seen ultrasounds, we’ve named our babies in the womb, we’ve seen women destroyed by abortion. What looks supremely unreasonable to us is that we should trust a leader who not doesn’t only reject the right to life but even supports partial-birth abortion, which is more infanticide than abortion.

We also see the downside of Rudy’s deal. If pro-lifers went along, we’d soon find out that a pro-abortion Republican president would no longer preside over a pro-life party. The power a president exerts over his party’s character is nearly absolute. The party is changed in his image. He picks those who run it and, both directly and indirectly, those who enter it.

Thus, the Republicans in the 1980s became Reaganites. The Democrats in the 1990s took on the pragmatic Clintonite mold. Bush’s GOP is no different, as Ross Douthat points out in “It’s His Party” in the March Atlantic Monthly.

A Republican Party led by a pro-abortion politician would become a pro-abortion party. Parents know that, when we make significant exceptions to significant rules, those exceptions themselves become iron-clad rules to our children. It’s the same in a political party. A Republican Party led by Rudy Giuliani would be a party of contempt for the pro-life position, which is to say, contempt for the fundamental right on which all others depend.

Would a pro-abortion president give us a pro-life Supreme Court justice? Maybe he would in his first term. But we’ve seen in the Democratic Party how quickly and completely contempt for the right to life corrupts. Even if a President Giuliani did the right thing for a short time, it’s likely the party that accepted him would do the wrong thing for a long time.

Would his commitment to the war on terror be worth it? The United States has built the first abortion businesses in both Afghanistan and Iraq, ever. Shamefully, our taxes paid to build and operate a Baghdad abortion clinic that is said to get most of its customers because of the pervasive rape problem in that male-dominated society. And that happened under a pro-life president. What would a pro-abortion president do?

The bottom line: Republicans have made inroads into the Catholic vote for years because of the pro-life issue. If they put a pro-abortion politician up for president, the gains they’ve built for decades will vanish overnight.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abestgopcandidate; abortion; catholicforum; cino; guiliani; homosexualagenda; liberalgop; marksanford; messageboardpost; moralabsolutes; norudy; prolife; rino; rudy; tomtancredo
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To: Siobhan
"Very interesting graphic for Giuliani. Pity it is so pretty for a man with such an ugly soul."

Gee I thought only God knew what was in men's souls. Or are you so very Christ-like that you know also?
61 posted on 03/06/2007 6:13:21 PM PST by Artemis Webb (Be a REAL conservative. Stay home and pout so Hillary can win!)
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To: Siobhan
It's always so good to hear from the sanctimonious.

Thanks!

62 posted on 03/06/2007 6:14:42 PM PST by wireman
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

I'd respond but I'm having trouble getting the graphics big enough.


63 posted on 03/06/2007 6:14:54 PM PST by Gop1040
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To: Alberta's Child

You are absolutely right. As always. A joy to see you posting!


64 posted on 03/06/2007 6:15:47 PM PST by Siobhan (Pray, pray, pray,)
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To: Pyro7480
Another country heard from!

You've seen his soul too?

65 posted on 03/06/2007 6:16:22 PM PST by wireman
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To: areafiftyone

"Third Roman Catholics don't like to let the church (especially the Roman Catholic Church) decide for them who to vote for when it comes to politics."

I didnt notice the church endorse any candidate.
There are plenty of Catholics who vote at odds with their own stated moral values, and seem perversely proud of that pathological behavior. So be it, but if you profess the sanctity of life on Sunday, there is certainly sense in voting that way on Tuesday.


66 posted on 03/06/2007 6:17:00 PM PST by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: Pyro7480
Sorry but you can't judge "the state" of someones soul from their behavior. Or are you inserting things in The Bible that are not there? Oh...I know, there is a chapter and verse where the Lord grants special insight to Pyro7480 to see men's souls! Gosh I must have missed that part.
67 posted on 03/06/2007 6:17:12 PM PST by Artemis Webb (Be a REAL conservative. Stay home and pout so Hillary can win!)
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To: wireman

Thank you very much for that insult. It is very helpful.


68 posted on 03/06/2007 6:17:31 PM PST by Siobhan (Pray, pray, pray,)
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To: Siobhan
It's not meant as an insult.

It's simply a statement of fact.

69 posted on 03/06/2007 6:18:47 PM PST by wireman
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To: Lexinom; Jim Robinson
"That's how a lot of us on FR feel treated, frankly, by the vocal minority of Rudy supporters."

The Giuliettes are peeved that JimRob has rightfully spurned their candidate from the get-go.

A few (just a few) of the Giuliettes already remind me remarkably of the intransigent Buchananite Arator & his Paleo cadre that eventually invited their own exit from FR in 2000.

70 posted on 03/06/2007 6:18:59 PM PST by StAnDeliver
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To: Siobhan

Wow -- thanks so much, Siobhan!


71 posted on 03/06/2007 6:19:03 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: nopardons

What evah


72 posted on 03/06/2007 6:19:23 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: markomalley

Does Rudy plan to make a deal with all conservatives who are unwilling to support the Republican party if it leaves them on all the other issues Rudy is on the wrong side of? That will leave him running on nothing but WOT, and outside of Ron Paul and possibly one other 2nd tier candidate, I believe the rest have said they will continue to fight the war. So how does Rudy differentiate himself? If things don't turn around in Iraq and with it public opinion, that will leave him in the general with one very unpopular issue to talk about.


73 posted on 03/06/2007 6:20:30 PM PST by penowa (NO more Bushes; NO more Clintons EVER!)
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To: FreeReign
"In the primaries however, I will support the candidate who is the best social and fiscal conservative."

Fair enough. In the general election I too will support the Rep. nominee.
74 posted on 03/06/2007 6:20:34 PM PST by Gop1040
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To: Artemis Webb
No, God is not the only one who knows what is in men's souls. God is the only One to know everything within a man's soul.

It is very easy for someone to know something of another's soul, especially when that other soul has done horrible things in public, and espoused views that cause grave harm to the weakest and most defenseless.

75 posted on 03/06/2007 6:22:04 PM PST by Siobhan (Pray, pray, pray,)
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To: gotribe; markomalley; Calpernia; NapkinUser; Reagan Man; Fierce Allegiance; EternalVigilance; ...
Rudy doesn't need you,...

Well, there you go then.

That's it boys and girls!

All us pro-lifers have been dismissed!

Good night and good luck! 8^)

76 posted on 03/06/2007 6:22:18 PM PST by airborne ("Why in the hell are we so afraid of being what we are?" HUNTER 2008!)
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To: StAnDeliver
I can guarantee you there are a lot more disruptor's of threads that are pro Rudy than there are Rudy supporters who disrupt threads supporting Duncan Hunter.
77 posted on 03/06/2007 6:22:27 PM PST by Artemis Webb (Be a REAL conservative. Stay home and pout so Hillary can win!)
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To: mylife

Juvenile reply and just proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that what I've said is 100% correct.


78 posted on 03/06/2007 6:22:39 PM PST by nopardons
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To: penowa

> if it leaves them on all the other issues Rudy is on the
> wrong side of? That will leave him running on nothing but
> WOT

To be fair to Giuliani, he's on the right side of law and order, low taxes, and a good business climate, as well.

Time was, those mattered too... though perhaps not so much to the one issue voters of today.


79 posted on 03/06/2007 6:22:49 PM PST by voltaires_zit
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To: wireman
No, that is not a fact. That is an opinion you hold which you directed at me so as to characterize me. That is an insult.

Thank you.

80 posted on 03/06/2007 6:23:00 PM PST by Siobhan (Pray, pray, pray,)
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