No deal, Rudy

Catholic Online ^ | 3/6/2007

[DungeonMaster]

As a Catholic, I find the twice divorced, thrice married, pro-homosexual union, pro-choice Catholic Guiliani despicable.

I support the candidacy of the once married, never divorced, father of five, grandfather of ten, MORMON Romney.

I find Mormon doctrine about man becoming God and God having been a man billions of years ago on a different planet despicable. I prefer an honest heathen or an honest Catholic in name only.

[TAdams8591]

I find a cheating Catholic husband (Guiliani) who further hurts traditonal heterosexual marriage by divorcing twice, marrying three times and supporting homosexual unions, as well as promoting the barbaric practice of abortion, a complete an utter abomination to Christianity.

By contrast, Mitt has been faithfully married to one woman, has five children, ten granchildren, and is running on a pro-life, pro-heterosexual marriage plank - my kind of man and my kind of Christian.

[DungeonMaster]

I find a cheating Catholic husband (Guiliani) who further hurts traditonal heterosexual marriage by divorcing twice, marrying three times and supporting homosexual unions, as well as promoting the barbaric practice of abortion, a complete an utter abomination to Christianity. By contrast, Mitt has been faithfully married to one woman, has five children, ten granchildren, and is running on a pro-life, pro-heterosexual marriage plank - my kind of man and my kind of Christian.

I find people who call themselves Christians when they are cult members more offensive than people that call themselves Catholics and act the part. Lots and lots of Catholics get divorces and vote Democrat. Most RCs I know are Democrats. So there is no surpise to me when a Republican RC is a liberal.

[MHGinTN]

Being a catholic in nmae only is not honest. Besides, most cinos vote straight democrat ... makes me wonder about you, noob.

[Beckwith]

The president can not make or repeal any law affecting abortion.

Ronald Reagan didn't and no one else will either.

It's up to Congress.

It amazes me how many people don't know how the system works.

[MEGoody]

If the only thing Rudy has going for him is that he felt the pain of New Yorkers after 9/11, he hasn't got much going for him. I hope that, if you want Rudy for Prez, you can find other things to talk about than 9/11.

[DungeonMaster]

noob back to you.

[MHGinTN]

Are we having fun yet?

[DungeonMaster]

Are we?

[Antoninus]

We also see the downside of Rudy’s deal. If pro-lifers went along, we’d soon find out that a pro-abortion Republican president would no longer preside over a pro-life party. The power a president exerts over his party’s character is nearly absolute. The party is changed in his image. He picks those who run it and, both directly and indirectly, those who enter it.

Exactly. Which is why I personally will NEVER vote for a pro-abortion Republican for president, no matter how bad his opponent is.

With a radical pro-abort like Rudy as the GOP standard bearer, pro-lifers are effectively left out in the cold with nowhere to look but perhaps to a 3rd party.

[Antoninus]

Many, many, many catholics vote Dem across the ballot. Rudy doesn't need you, and he's going to destroy hitlery.

Keep dreaming. The Catholic vote has been steadily coming toward the Republicans over the past 30 years. A candidate like Rudy will effectively send it all back to the Democrats.

[MHGinTN]

Oh yes! At times it is amusing around here.

[Antoninus]

First of all I'm a Roman Catholic and I don't know any Catholics who reads this tripe.

Uh, you're grotesque and enthusiastic support of a pro-abortion, pro-homosexual candidate when *there are several other viable pro-life, pro-family Republican candidates available in the GOP primary* belies your claim to be a Catholic. Do you know what the term latae sententiae means?

You can't be both Catholic and pro-abortion. Sorry, pal.

[Antoninus]

There are lots of single issue voters who hold "this" or "that" to be inviolable and refuse to ally with anyone who doesn't support their point of view in its entirety.

I only agree with Rudy on one issue. As I'm not a single issue voter, I can't vote for him. Oh, well.

[Aquinasfan]

take care of the beam in your own eye before attempting to play an ophtalmologist.

Because I'm a sinner, murder should be legal?

I'm not following your irrationality.

[GSlob]

Well, in my reference frame abortion is not a murder. The frame is purely secular, rational and self-consistent.

[Campion]

Rudy doesn't need you, and he's going to destroy hitlery.

Okay. Then you'll have no objection to us voting for a third-party candidate. After all, you don't need our votes anyway. Constitution Party, here I come!

[markomalley]

It's up to Congress.

Uh...no.

It's actually up to SCOTUS.

The president can not make or repeal any law affecting abortion.

True. But what CAN a president do?

• Nominate judges for SCOTUS and lower courts.
• Appoint an AG to enforce what laws are out there to the maximum degree possible (or to ignore the same)
• Appoint an HHS Secretary to adopt appropriate regulations to restrict access to abortions to the maximum degree possible (or to facilitate access to the maximum degree possible)
• Fill other executive branch offices with people who will leverage the regulatory authority of the Executive Branch to the best degree to inhibit abortion mills (or to ease their operation)
• Sign executive orders that either permit or prohibit abortions in facilities operated by the Executive Branch (e.g., military)
• Sign executive orders that permit funding of the UN and of NGOs that provide or facilitate abortions
• Veto budgetary measures if Congress tries to appropriate money for the same purposes
• Utilize the "bully pulpit" to the maximum degree possible

Reagan, while he wasn't able to get the appropriate laws passed, DID take many of the above executive actions.

It amazes me how many people don't know how the system works.

Me too.

[xsmommy]

excellent refutation to those that say the President has zip impact on abortion. please continue to post these facts.

[DKNY]

Post of the day! ... LOL