[GSlob]

Well, in my reference frame abortion is not a murder. The frame is purely secular, rational and self-consistent.

[Aquinasfan]

Well, in my reference frame abortion is not a murder.

As you can see in these pictures of aborted babies.

Second Trimester abortion photos

Photos of aborted babies retrieved from dumpsters

Now, you can avoid looking at these photos. But other people here will look at them, and they'll see that your claim that abortion is not murder is, well, irrational.

[Giant Conservative]

Abortion itself is inherently irrational.