Verdict in Libby Trial in....reading at noon. (Guilty On 4 of 5 Charges)

MSNBC

[Dog]

Breaking on MSNBC

[Rheo]

I'm way behind so this has probably already been mentioned again.

The jury includes a retired Washington Post reporter who once worked for Post editor Bob Woodward and was a neighbor of NBC reporter Tim Russert, both of whom are to be witnesses in the case.

I knew I had heard that before and it was from Kristinn posting on this thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1781101/posts?page=80#80.

So, not just a WAPO reporter but neighbor of Russert.

[Rheo]

oops

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1781101/posts?page=80#80

[PhatHead]

I was just trying to get at this confusion about "classified" and "covert," like 97% of the public, I'm not entirely clear on what the term "classified" means. Is leaking a "classified" identity illegal? Leaking "classified" documents?

"Classified" can mean a lot of different things. The government can "classify" information as "confidential," "secret," "top secret," etc. The original investigation revolved around possible violations of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, which was written to provide penalties for revealing the identities of covert agents.

I don't know if that helps you, but I think it is important to say that none of the above, or any other definition of the words "classified," "covert," or "undercover" had any relevance to the question before the jury in this case. In fact, lawyers for both sides were instructed that no evidence as to Plame's status was even to be introduced. If the jury struggled with these definitions, it is just one more piece of evidence that they did not even understand what Libby was on trial for.

[lugsoul]

When and how did it get "established?"

Do you have anything other than comments by media whores to make your point? Like actual evidence?

[FreedomNeocon]

i've always wondered why novak wrote that column and how he feels about the "katrina" that followed it

Novak has said since that he thinks it was ridiculous that Armitage kept quiet about it as long as he did, and inferred that him and Powell (who TOLD ARMITAGE to keep it a secret)have some explaining to do.

[cicero's_son]

You know, I'm actually surprised at how outraged I am right now. I haven't really followed this case, and I assumed throughout most of it that Fitz would get at least one "scalp."

But now that the verdict has come down, I find myself almost trembling with anger and indignation.

How is it that that treasonous little gremlin, Sandy Berger, is free while a patriot like Scooter Libby is facing a jail term?

Makes me long for the days of "citizen justice," to be honest with you...

[windchime]

"This was a tiny detail many overlooked.

On the stand, Russert told a story so intrinsically implausible I had to review it twice before writing about it.

According to him, he was home on a Sunday when a man called and said that he was FBI agent Eckenrode, that he'd met Russert earlier when his church group had toured the NBC Washington headquarters. The man who identified himself as the agent then related to Russert what Libby had told the FBI about a conversation the two men had had on July 10 or 11 of that year. Russert said he gave his recollection of the statements to the man who'd identified himself as Eckenrode."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/02/libby_trial_the_nbc_connection.html

[rollo tomasi]

If there was no crime in the Clinton case, why did Bubba have to shell out $$$ to Paula Jones to make the charge go away. I thought innocent people always fight for their innocence.

Sexual harassment is usually considered a misdemeanor and that bad piece of legislation known as Violence Against Women Act that Clinton signed was the reason for his troubles.

Do you always play cheerleader to corrupt democrats?

[popdonnelly]

"Covert" status wasn't a part of the case. The prosecution didn't have to produce any evidence on that point.

[ohioWfan]

You're citing a WaPo article to defend your case?? Shirley you jest!

(And backing it up with Wikepedia........that's RICH!)

NO where in any of the 'documents' you cited was it stated that Valerie Plame was covert. It has been implied in leftist articles like the one you linked from the beginning. But that doesn't make it so.

Sorry, you lose, homer........and Brit wins.

[roses of sharon]

Oh please, the liberal DC jury had hours upon hours of tapes of Libby testimony before the GJ on the way he remembered things.

Unlike the jury who admittedly are anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-Cheney, anti-Republican, I would never consign a man to prison for remembering conversations differently than others.

Fitz had no evidence of Libby trying to suborn perjury, notes asking or admitting to lying, no testimony of him planning to lie deliberately, over and over and over again.

To the contrary, there was PLENTY of evidence that Libby and other gov officials were trying to explain to the press that Wilson was not specifically sent by Cheney, as he had claimed in his oped, and that there was no report on the trip to Cheney as Wilson said, which led to the talk of Val Plame, because she was the one who sent Wilson.

I'm sure he and his lawyer believed they could bring this jury along with common sense, but like most Republicans in DC, Libby has not a clue how ruthless his enemies are.

[ohioWfan]

The fact that no one is being indicted under this statute suggests that Plame was not a "covert" agent, as that term is used in the statute.

Exactly. Tell that to homer...............(he's confused by the Washington Post propaganda).

[LibWrangler]

I'm thinking it's him. All the pieces fit.

[lugsoul]

Armitage said it, so it must be true? Can you name one person Wilson called and told that? Can you name one person who received such a call?

Of course you can't.

[Howlin]

Stunning,isn't it?

[Red Steel]

FBI agent Sam: Mr Voltaires, can you tell me what the weather was like last Saturday and did you eat quiche for lunch on the 28 of February, 2004?

voltaires_zit: No, it was a cloudy day last Saturday and I recall eating sirloin steak on that day 3 years ago.

FBI agent Sam: Mr Russert, can you tell me what the weather was like last Saturday and what did Mr Voltaires eat for lunch on the 28th of February, 2004?

Russert: It was a sunny day all day and Mr. Voltaires ate quiche for lunch on the 28th of February, 2004. I remember what Mr. Voltaires ate because that was the first day I used my crutches.

The FBI gives their report over to Fitzfong...

Fitzgerald: hot damn! I've got Mr Voltaires lying on two counts to an FBI agent -- hot damn! Where's my Grand Jury?!

Using absurdity, to point out in essence, that this is what Fitzgerald did to get a conviction.

Gotta go until this evening....

[Howlin]

I am feeling the same way; there is a LOT of cleaning getting done around here today -- and my dogs have run for the hills! :-)

[Rheo]

I have no words. What the hell is going on anymore?

[Rheo]

Can you belive it, a WAPO reporter who was a neighbor to Russert who wrote a book on spying.

The world has gone mad.

[Howlin]

The world as we knew it is over; the liberals have full control and the press now has a free "get out of jail" card to pretty much manufacture and print anything detrimental to this adminstration without fear of having to justify anything they say or do.