Why you don't know conservatism when you see it : ) Here it is.
Posted on 03/04/2007 4:15:07 PM PST by Sub-Driver
Anger on Display Among Conservative PAC Audience
Sunday , March 04, 2007 By Kelley Beaucar Vlahos
WASHINGTON — America's conservatives are mad and they're not going to take it anymore.
That was the message the movement's leaders delivered throughout the annual Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, D.C. last week.
One after another, conservatives told FOXNews.com that they are angry, irritated, frustrated and in some cases depressed. And the target of their angst and ire is none other than the Republican Party, which wants and needs their support to win the 2008 presidential election and avoid losing more seats in the Senate and House next election.
Many of these conservatives, whose national stars began to rise with the presidential election of Ronald Reagan in 1980, described the GOP's state of affairs in Washington with words like "failed," defeated" and "in the grave."
"The Republican Party apparently has a death wish, but that doesn't mean we conservatives have to go along with it," Richard Viguerie, a movement veteran who helped elect Reagan, said during his wildly-received speech delivered Thursday. "Let's focus on the conservative movement, not the GOP."
"We've got to stop being lackeys of the Republican Party. We've got to be a third force," said Bill Greene, head of RightMarch.com, an online activist network. He is running as a Republican in the June special election to replace the late Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., who died of cancer on Feb. 13.
Several candidates vying for the GOP nomination appeared at the conference. But one — Arizona Sen. John McCain — was notably absent, and the frontrunner in generic opinion polls — former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani — acknowledged to the crowd that he has differences with his audience on social issues.
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I'm not sure based on the personal attacks the Rudy supporters endure that what you say is true. But I think you make a valid point about the social conservatives being hounded to support Rudy. Of course, no one would bother them if they didn't show up on all the Rudy threads. LOL But it is a good point.
Hopefully both sides can begin to understand each others' position and realize that it is not the place of the anti-Rudy folks to try and change the minds of or attack the Rudy supporters and it is not the place of the Rudy supporters to try and change the minds of or attack the anti-Rudy folks.
I treid to correct it ,but it had already gone thru---sorry.
let's not fool ourselves, this "anger" is coming from the social conservatives. sure, there is some dis-satisfaction over government spending, earmarks, etc. but that is not the main emphasis of the "anger" that all these articles are describing - the socons don't want to lose their veto power over the Republican party, that's the bottom line. and it doesn't matter to them that their votes alone cannot win elections, they still expect the party to be litmus test pure to them, or they will splinter off.
Well with rinos heading up the party we are headed there already.
that's what coalition politics is all about. that's the reality we face. send up a candidate like Katherine Harris - perfect on social issues, the base loved her - she got 38% of the vote in a state that Bush won twice.
ta da!
I hope you know that you are in for a long wait.
When the Rudy supporters stop lying about Hunter and Rudy's record, the Hunter supporters will probably not show up. I would hope you would defend Rudy if someone actually lied about him instead of posting his ACTUAL record.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1795070/posts
"oh sure, let's dump the GOP - and go into the political wilderness for the next 40 years. there's a real solid plan."
Yes, lets just surrender to the RINO's. Same destination just a different driver and maybe a little slower but still the same destination. SLAVERY to the government. Check England Out.
Sarge, two years from now, your first comment may be correct. Let's hope not.
Roger that!
Mayor Giuliani polls well in the beltway and NYC. But without the NRA, Mayor Giuliani will never carry the GOP.
And I'm the NRA.
Oh yeah, she also got so much support from the rino rnc.Nice try pal
Why you don't know conservatism when you see it : ) Here it is.
No gun grabber ever has.......
excuses, excsues.
she lost because there weren't enough votes to elect her. the base alone could not elect her, the same way the base alone could never elect Hunter president.
Exactly. The social "conservative" forces in the Republican Party are hard-core tax-and-spenders, and are eager to have government financing social engineering programs, as long as it's THEIR social engineering programs.
A few years back, they were even proposing extra welfare payments to welfare addicts who got "married" (whatever the heck that means -- I don't think government should recognize or have any legal involvement in marriage, which is a social and/or religious institution). How they proposed to keep track of whether the people who'd signed up for the bonuses were actually cohabiting was unclear -- presumably by hiring another army of social workers to pretend to make home visits, and fill out forms saying everything's fine and the 2 spouses are both present (just like they do with the child welfare programs). It was way unclear how welfare mom of 4 kids by 3 different men with long rap sheets was supposed to determine which one to "marry"; probably would have had to choose from the ones who were out of jail at the moment, rather than the ones who were in jail at the moment, but whichever one they chose would likely be back in jail by the time the reams of government paperwork for the bonus were processed. It was also unclear what benefit children were supposed to reap from having their drug-addicted, violent, habitual criminal, perpetually unemployed "fathers", who had no interest in being "married" unless somebody bribed them, living with them. But never mind the pesky details, these social "conservatives" were just sure things would be better if all these low-lifes were "married", and thought it was a project that justified taking more money from the taxpayers.
Thankfully, that particular idiotic notion seems to have faded away, but the fact that it wasn't instantly discarded as preposterous by all social "conservatives" in Congress, was very telling.
Rudy Guillianni is not my 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice.
He is barely a Republican IMO.
The only way I will vote for him is if that is the only choice in the General election.
In the Primaries I hope to find something better.
He will probably drop out in six months or so. No worry. Just wait to the NRA starts spending their new found money on advertising : )
It's what I tell them everytime they call for money!
Some kid called from Wisconsin the other day on behalf of the California Republican PArty to tell me how great it was we reelected Arnold.
What a CROCK!
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