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Jesus’s tomb? Let’s bury that idea straight away
The Sunday Times ^ | March 4, 2007 | Martin Wroe

Posted on 03/04/2007 7:42:00 AM PST by MadIvan

It is the greatest newspaper story ever told, and it was told again last week. In New York the Oscar-winning film-maker James Cameron pulled back a curtain to reveal two cream-coloured limestone coffins, flown in from Jerusalem. One of them, he said, had once held the recently crucified body of Jesus of Nazareth. Another — there are 10 in the set — had held that of Mary Magdalene.

“It doesn’t get bigger than this,” he said, and then claimed it did. He had evidence that Jesus and Mary Magdalene had married and that another coffin — or “ossuary” — had contained a son, Judah.

It was a scene-stealing performance from the man who swept the Oscars with Titanic in 1998. Indeed, it could hardly have been more dramatic if Cameron had come on stage wearing the Turin shroud.

If true, his claims would fracture the 2,000-year-old pillars of Christian history: the New Testament reports that Jesus rose from the tomb after three days — no ossuary necessary — and “after 40 days” ascended into heaven. “If Christ is not raised,” said St Paul, who had quite a lot riding on it, “then our faith is in vain.”

Confusing for booksellers, too: should Dan Brown be moved to “factual”? After all, The Da Vinci Code also has Jesus getting in the family way with Mary Magdalene.

Cameron produced the Israeli Antiquities Authority to confirm that the 10 ossuaries — or “bone-boxes”, originally dug up in a Jerusalem suburb in 1980 — were inscribed with a collection of names pointing right back to the original Jesus and Mary. The inscriptions included “Yeshua bar Yosef” (Hebrew: Jesus son of Joseph), “Maria”, “Matia” (Matthew), “Yose” (Joseph), “Mariamene e Mara” (Greek: Mary the teacher or Mary Magdalene) and “Yehuda bar Yeshua” (Aramaic: “Judah son of Jesus”).

Finding just these names on coffins from the same 1st-century tomb was way too much of a coincidence, said Cameron. “The chances of finding that combination together was like finding a grave marked Ringo next to others marked John, Paul and George.”

As a way of promoting his film The Lost Tomb of Jesus, which airs tonight on the Discovery Channel, he could hardly have done more.

The film, he says, offers “tangible, physical, archeological and in some cases forensic evidence” for the existence of Jesus.

The only snag is that nobody is looking for any evidence. “I can’t believe how far behind the game he is,” says Tom Wright, one of the Church of England’s leading New Testament scholars and now Bishop of Durham. “Scholars from all religious traditions and none have no doubts that Jesus lived. The argument is about whether he was who he said he was.”

As for the statistics and the names, Professor Geza Vermes, world authority on the life and times of Jesus and one of the first to study the 1st-century Dead Sea Scrolls discovered in 1947, finds Cameron’s claims more Hollywood than Jerusalem.

“These are such common names of the time that nothing would oblige you to connect them with the figures of the New Testament. You’d also have to assume that Joseph and Mary — who famously lived in Nazareth — moved to Jerusalem to be buried there.

Now, says Professor Vermes, who calls himself a “sympathetic agnostic”, “if we had an inscription saying ‘This is Jesus, son of Joseph, celebrated as the Messiah’, then we might be getting somewhere, because why would you need an ossuary if the body has been raised . . . but I wish I hadn’t suggested that because it will give someone an idea!”

Bruce Longenecker, New Testament specialist at St Andrews University, knows a thing or two about 1st-century names: of all those found in the relevant archeological area, 9% are “Jesus”, 14% “Joseph”, 10% “Judas” and 5% “Matthew”. “It’s not as if they had hundreds of names to choose from, so there’s nothing statistically significant about finding such a grouping in Jerusalem at the time,” he says.

But if Cameron’s claims are so risible, why the global fascination? It’s the paradox of our religious curiosity in our allegedly secular age, says Longenecker. “We have such a hunger to find ways of interpreting Jesus that are different to orthodox depictions, that artefacts are leapt on and massaged, often in rather farfetched ways.”

The most famous 20th-century example was the Turin shroud, which fell from grace in the 1980s after radiocarbon dating suggested it was medieval smoke and mirrors. But while an ossuary or shroud can command a global 21st-century audience, down the centuries relics have always been box office. Collect all the pieces of the True Cross venerated in hundreds of European churches and you could rebuild Noah’s Ark. From Veronica’s Veil (used to wipe the forehead of Jesus) to the Crown of Thorns and the Holy Lance (which pierced Jesus’s side to confirm his death), relics have always lured the devout.

“There have been quite a few foreskins of Jesus,” says Professor Vermes. “And several heads of John the Baptist. The believer wants something tangible to confirm their faith, the unbeliever wants the same to disprove it.”

Take it from me, he says, speaking as someone who knows, “Neither will have it.” History won’t turn up that kind of proof.

But Keith Ward, former regius professor of divinity at Oxford University, wonders if the present fascination with shrouds and tombs is different from religious veneration. Relics offered a sense of devotion because of their perceived link to Jesus — “like people who collect football shirts” — but “this modern obsession is the opposite”.

“Like The Da Vinci Code, it is the simple desire to shock even when the argument is breathtakingly literalistic, ludicrous and superstitious.”

It’s no different from campaigning secularists who have taken to attacking religious belief, Ward says. “It’s part of the same syndrome as Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett, writing shallow books which attack Christianity but are still taken seriously. As a scholar, I don’t care if people aren’t religious, but I am dumbfounded at the second-rate thinking.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cameron; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; jamescameron; jesus; jesustomb; letshavejerusalem; lordandchrist; simchajacobovici; talpiot; tomb
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To: GaryMontana

Nothing - we wee just talking about names, that's all.


21 posted on 03/04/2007 9:01:14 AM PST by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: MadIvan

I don't think it will be long now before a clip of the Last Supper will be showing up on YouTube. Liberals. Ya gotta love 'em. They're trying so hard to destroy this country and the world.


22 posted on 03/04/2007 9:18:09 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (When I was a kid, "global warming" was known as "the weather.")
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To: MadIvan
After this senslessness, The Discovery Channel is going to have that low life POS Ted Koppel heading a panel of like minded retards and moral vacuums.
23 posted on 03/04/2007 9:29:31 AM PST by Abcdefg
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To: BenLurkin
How about Little Joe or Hoss?
24 posted on 03/04/2007 9:55:36 AM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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To: GaryMontana

I thought the dog's name was B-I-NGO.


25 posted on 03/04/2007 10:04:35 AM PST by healy61
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To: Eagles Talon IV; BenLurkin

Stop it. You guys are making my side hurt.


26 posted on 03/04/2007 10:16:23 AM PST by Jalapeno
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To: layman

This yarn by Cameron just ain't going to fly.


27 posted on 03/04/2007 10:32:46 AM PST by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: MadIvan

Well, a genuine tomb would have him striken blind, or smitten with leprosy. Must be bogus.


28 posted on 03/04/2007 10:47:16 AM PST by GSlob
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To: HitmanLV

Hang on, Sloopy?


29 posted on 03/04/2007 10:55:53 AM PST by Freedom_Fighter_2001 (Sloopy? C'mon!)
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To: Freedom_Fighter_2001

Yep, a legitimate 'Sloopy.' Go figure, huh?


30 posted on 03/04/2007 10:59:38 AM PST by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: TalBlack
The whole point of Cameron's efforts, starting with the title, is that Jesus was mere flesh.

So, would your entire faith in His teachings be shattered if He turned out to be "the Son of Man" ??

Because I've got news for you..
That's what He told Pilate..
Jesus never claimed to be the Son of God.

31 posted on 03/04/2007 11:23:02 AM PST by Drammach ("If you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." -- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: MadIvan
Cameron is in the wrong place.

Jesus crosses the southern border daily by the hundreds.

32 posted on 03/04/2007 11:36:56 AM PST by FixitGuy (By their fruits shall ye know them!)
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To: MadIvan
...said Cameron. “The chances of finding that combination together was like finding a grave marked Ringo next to others marked John, Paul and George.”

That would be particularly disturbing to Paul and Ringo. =8-O

33 posted on 03/04/2007 11:53:22 AM PST by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
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To: NYer

This is about making bucks off a manufactured controversy.


34 posted on 03/04/2007 12:31:15 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: Drammach

Actually, Jesus not only identified himself as the Son of God, but equal to God. The Jewish leaders understood this and that's why he was crucified.

"For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."

John 5:18


35 posted on 03/04/2007 1:00:25 PM PST by July4th64 (?????????)
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To: July4th64

Uhhh.. No..


36 posted on 03/04/2007 1:13:22 PM PST by Drammach ("If you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." -- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Drammach
Jesus never claimed to be the Son of God.

People unfamiliar with scripture should avoid making absolute statements.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. -- Matthew 7:21

Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. -- Matthew 10:32,33

All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. -- Matthew 11:1

And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? -- Luke 2:49

Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. -- John 5:19-27

There are plenty more, but that should do it for now.

37 posted on 03/04/2007 3:42:32 PM PST by NCSteve
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To: Clintonfatigued
This is about making bucks off a manufactured controversy.

Agreed! And the best response is to ignore the program on the Discovery Channel.

It's simply amazing how many people today, 2000 years after He lived, wish, hope and even pray that Jesus Christ was nothing more than a figment of our imaginations or attempt to prove that He was a fraud. They rejected Him then; they reject Him now.

38 posted on 03/04/2007 3:52:18 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: MadIvan

I have requested that my cable company "Turn off" my Discovery Channel subscription.

I won't tolerate this apostacy over the air waves.


39 posted on 03/04/2007 3:55:04 PM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Abcdefg
"After this senslessness, The Discovery Channel is going to have that low life POS Ted Koppel heading a panel of like minded retards and moral vacuums."

Great, and remember folks, this is a "must miss" if there ever was one.

40 posted on 03/05/2007 9:26:41 AM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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