Not a good testimony for Giuliani, methinks, if these tactics have to be used on his behalf.
Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Thank you. Thankyouverymuch.
Not a good testimony for Giuliani, methinks, if these tactics have to be used on his behalf.
Appeasement and retreat are insane.
To be fair, Rudy is not merely a RINO, he's a flaming left wing radical who happens to support the WOT.
If the WOT is the only issue that matters, then any of the Republican field is worthy of support.
Hey, 4/16/02 is the date you signed up for FR. That's weird!
With Reagan, it was "Morning in America". With the anti-Rudy folks, it's pistols at dawn.
Regards, Ivan
The thing is, you CLAIM you want to 'elevate the debate', but then you continue to name-call those who disagree with you. (Evidence your title and your post #13.)
That sounds decidedly conflicted.
If "moderate" means playing fast and loose with The Constitution,in the name of expediency, or anything else, I don't want any more "moderate".
"Can't you folks handle the simple fact that most Republicans just simply don't agree with you? Why do you have to try to put on the fake martyr complex?"
Quoted for effect.
'Asked and answered, Your Honor.'
Please re-read post 13.
You have a point there, Ivan. In fact, I'd extend it by saying the rancour in the GOP, intra-party wise, is way more than needs to be.
Absolutely!
But they continue to be in denial, and never will admit it.
The MSM has had their number since shortly after the 2004 elections when they realized that all they needed to do was a bit of teasing and the right wing frog jerking would gain a momentum of it's own and destroy the Conservatives from within.
Their first victory was the Social Security agenda of Bush's presidency and once this was done, the momentum carried into the rest of the entire agenda which has been utterly destroyed and Bush was officially a lame duck, less than one year into his second term. All thanks to the Conservative right.
I don't blame Tator for not posting here. This place is nothing but a echo chamber for the new social conservative movement who have adopted a very odious slash and burn strategy for the coalition and have participated in what will be our biggest defeat ever in 2008.
Hopefully they will get the message then, but I doubt it. I truly fear for the future now, and this has never occurred before in my lifetime. Not even during the height of the cold war. I am now considering efforts to stock up on survival supplies, weapons, and materials so that I might have a self sufficient family compound within two years. There is a logical reason for this.
This country, as a result of the coming domination of the other party by default, will get a severe wakeup call from our various enemies who now see the opening and are colluding for a big move against us. It could destroy our economic base and cause chaos, or at the very least, unleash a global nuclear war. Something that will no doubt be started by a Democrat president.
All this is preventable, or should I say............ was preventable.
The Democrats are not wining by virtue of their quality or quantity. They are wining because "we" are self destructing.
I see no reason to think that anything is going to change in this regard. The political lessons must be relearned by the ignorant and selfish factions of a now broken down political base that not only refuse to compromise with the rest of their base membership, they are trying to control the entire party or failing this, inflict damages..
They will learn it the hard way now. A very expensive lesson in politics 101.
See you at the polls.....
And, of course, you acknowledge bad behavior ONLY one the "Rudy Haters" side.
I fail to see how this Common Tator post addresses any points that we haven't already discussed ad nauseum, and doen't offer any new compelling arguments for conservatives to elect RINOs.
Now that is well said. Leaves you with the conclusion that Giuliani supporters are more interested in advancing the agenda of the flaming left.
You mean #13 where you wrote: "b. There are some posters on the other threads to whom that moniker (Ed: Rudy-haters) fits like a glove." ????
See, in #13, in effect, you were still name-calling people you disagree with.
Ask the mods to change your title, ask them to pull your #13, and you will be going a long way toward redeeming yourself on this thread.
Until then, you're giving us the impression you're behaving like a hypocrite. Elevate your side of the debate before asking your opponents to do likewise.
Wish him well wherever he is.
As to Rudy? Unless and until he mends fences with the NRA/GOA/RKBA crowd he has ZERO chance of getting our vote. He is the consummate gun-grabber. Not sure at this late date, and after so many transgressions he can change our opinion of him.
I wouldn't say that. I *do* think that there are a lot of Republicans out there for whom the only issue is the GWOT, and they have convinced themselves that Rudy is the only Republican who can beat Hillary because, as we all know, she is assured to get the Democrat nomination and if she wins, then this country will fold up and convert to Islam within a month.
There are a lot of other socially-liberal Republicans who are using this view to urge a surge for Rudy, since they can get the socially liberal candidate they've always wanted, but largely been denied by the party as a whole.
I didn't know about this until last week:
In 2000, Mayor Giuliani filed a lawsuit against the gun industry.
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