Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002
The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.
Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.
Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.
There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.
When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.
Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.
But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.
This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.
When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.
Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.
If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.
To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.
Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.
If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.
A republican becomes a RINO when he/she institutes or supports actions that are distinctly unconstitutional.
Providing support to, or even tolerating a RINO, only legitimizes their unconstitutional activities.
But it's even worse...
Leftists are blatantly un-Constitutional, and their positions are unattractive to the undecided American. The RINO is not quite so blatant; often they sacrafice the Constitution for some temporarily-perceived "greater good" or for some set of generic morality. This position erodes the support of Conservatives, whose steadfast support of the Constitution begins to look unreasonable to the short-sighted undecided American.
Thus, RINOs are responsible for the erosion of the respect for the Constitution.
No, RINOs are not good for this country.
In a strange, bi-polar kind of way...
It's been removed, but I have it saved.
Oh, man......you may be on to something.
I only have problems with emotional drivel....:0
Giuliani is not a socialist. There are thoughtful, feverently pro-life, pro-family conservatives like Pete Sessions who know a helluva lot more about him than you, and support him.
You can allow ridiculous and exaggerated red-meat comments and anti-rudy spam 24/7, but no hearts and minds will be changed. Intelligent conservatives will not fall for that nonsense.
There are about 6 of them that are such ugly posters that I sometimes wonder if we don't have one 20 year old running back and forth between computers.
Ah, another Giuliani campaign slogan!
Not very pithy, though...
Kind of hard to type while standing up.
B/S on all accouns. Rudy has changed his opinion on nothing. He still supports abortion rights, gay rights, gun control, illegal immigration, McCaine-Feingold, global warming, etc. And a whole lot of FReepers and Republicans are arguing FOR his socialist positions.
I've read it many times on these threads:
abortion is a woman's right
abortion is not an important issue
the president has no say in abortion
abortion doesn't matter
we should not be arguing against gay rights
we have no business in gay's bedrooms (God forbid)
gay unions are perfectly fine
teaching our children about homosexualism is good
reasonable gun ontrol is ok
keeping guns out of the hands of criminals (by infringing on our rights) is a good thing
Compromise is the ONLY answer because there are not enough of us to win an election.
Keep saying there are and you'll be in the minority forever.
And where will your principles get you then?
etc, etc, etc.
FReepers are indeed arguing for the liberal positions and against conservatism.
I do, and happen to think it's all but certain to get a great deal worse. After sleeping with dogs for years, the formerly-right has developed a hell of an itch.
That's why I endeavor to remain emotionless :)
Doesn't do well when talking politics lol
And you're from Arizona, what's it to you? Don't you believe in states rights?
I second the motion.
And, as I keep mentioning, Newt's Contract for America didn't take time to mention one single word about abortion or gay marriage or gun control. Not one word.
Now how is that possible since it's all these people talk about? There's a segment of the party that has tried to move the party so far to the right that I'm sure we've become unrecognizable to a lot of Republicans, just as the extreme left of the Democrats are unrecognizable to old time Dems.
Of course they won't. You and your ilk are impervious to reason or arguments based on core republican principles.
Yeah, those principles do have a way of bogging us down. LOL
"FReepers are indeed arguing for the liberal positions and against conservatism"
Not the majority tho Jim.
50 million lives that might well have been saved if we hadn't allowed it to become so politicized. It's an issue that is only used to elicite campaign money. Nobody has even attempted to do anything about it for over 30 years because, very simply, it's a cash cow.
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