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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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To: Cold Heat

Bump to all that.


361 posted on 02/28/2007 11:46:24 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: BykrBayb

I didn't find them objectionable. Kind cute satire.


362 posted on 02/28/2007 11:47:13 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Better get goin'. Hunter went from 2% to a footnote asterisk in the latest ABC/WaPo poll.

Funny, I heard that one of Keyes' operatives was seen at a Hunter fund raiser a couple of weeks ago.

363 posted on 02/28/2007 11:47:21 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Howlin
And you really suck when you imply that people who are willing to compromise to help this country want to kill babies. I mean REALLY suck.

I'm not "implying" it at all. I'm saying it straight out:

Those who empower NARAL and their bought-and-paid-for baby-killing politicians have blood on their hands.

364 posted on 02/28/2007 11:47:27 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: Al Simmons

This so-called "thought" provoking article fails to address the reality that (1) members of the ideological "base" of each party are more likely to vote; and (2) people in the middle are focused more on candidates, rather than issues, and can be persuaded to vote for a more ideologically pure candidate who articulates well-reasoned policy positions. It is more difficult to alienate a group that doesn't know enough about the issues to form a coherent ideology, than it is to alienate your base.


365 posted on 02/28/2007 11:47:33 AM PST by Texas Federalist (Gingrich '08)
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To: Howlin

"People MAKE themselves irrelevant; and I'd die before I'd hand this country over to the Democrats."

More power to you, hope you're successful. But I don't personally care what letter is by the name so long as what I and many of my mates have sweated, bled and died for is upheld and supported.

If neither party does that, then I will support neither party.


366 posted on 02/28/2007 11:47:37 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: DreamsofPolycarp

The more I see of your posts on a variety of subjects, the smarter I think you are.


367 posted on 02/28/2007 11:48:17 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance
However, two major differences...the WOT and appointing conservative judges are not to be ignored as we seek to compare a Guiliani administration with a Clinton or Obama White House.

Then, when you also figure in his belief in states' rights and a strong fiscal conservatism...and his electability, certainly you can see his appeal to a large number of Repubublicans. With President's low approval nationally, we cannot believe that we can put a Bush clone on the ballot and think we can win.
368 posted on 02/28/2007 11:48:18 AM PST by KsSunflower
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To: 68 grunt

Then why the objection to another FReeper agreeing with him?


369 posted on 02/28/2007 11:48:46 AM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: Howlin; EternalVigilance
And you really suck when you imply that people who are willing to compromise to help this country want to kill babies.

50 MILLION babies have been killed in the United States since 1973. Rudy and SOME of his supporters on FR believe that women should have the right to kill their unborn baby.

So, perhaps a distinction should be drawn, there are the compromisers who are willing to "look the other way" and vote for someone who supports the killing of babies and then there are the people who have absolutely no problem voting for someone who supports killing babies because they also support it.

370 posted on 02/28/2007 11:48:52 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Howlin
Funny, I heard that one of Keyes' operatives was seen at a Hunter fund raiser a couple of weeks ago.

lol

371 posted on 02/28/2007 11:49:05 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
... Blood on your hands.

Ah, Evie, the ol' blood on the hands analogy. Its the fifth columnist whose goal it is to insure a demonrat victory, and there is where the blood lies.

372 posted on 02/28/2007 11:49:28 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Carolinamom

I answered your question quite succinctly. If that answer wasn't sufficient for you, tough.

Now, quit lying and putting words in my mouth. It's a nasty liberal tactic. Thanks.


373 posted on 02/28/2007 11:49:44 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: youngjim; EternalVigilance
and its shameful to post your obloquy when he can't be here to defend himself.

Which just proves to anybody who knows CT how low EV will go to further his own political agenda.

But, hey, when you're a whore, you'll screw anybody, won't you?

374 posted on 02/28/2007 11:50:06 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: NinoFan
"I've always loved the claim that right-wingers are somehow anti-Semitic. It's news to me. Considering how much the Left hates Israel and rants about the "jewish lobby" and the "jewish conspiracy", it's quite amusing actually."

Of course, he was gone before I could inform him that my uncle Bosko was one of 2300 men, women and children shot to death by the SS in Kragujevac, Serbia in 1941 in a reprisal massacre, or that my father spent 4 years behind enemy lines fighting the Nazis....who were the worst, lowest human scum that ever lived. Even worse than the communists...

375 posted on 02/28/2007 11:50:53 AM PST by Al Simmons (Holocaust-deniers and other anti-semites are the lowest forms of humanity.)
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To: BykrBayb
Then why the objection to another FReeper agreeing with him?

Honest FReepers can do as they like. Fifth columnist scumbags are not honest, they just want to keep us divided. (As if you didn't know!)

376 posted on 02/28/2007 11:51:08 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Al Simmons

And for your trouble, your character was questioned.

Amazing place FR has become.


377 posted on 02/28/2007 11:51:11 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance

There you go again, EV. You really are a nasty little man.


378 posted on 02/28/2007 11:51:54 AM PST by Carolinamom (Whatever you voted for, you did not vote for failure -- President Bush SOTU)
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To: Cold Heat

Amen! I have a list all ready for the "transfer."


379 posted on 02/28/2007 11:51:56 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Cold Heat
Ideological purity is impossible in a coalition as diverse as modern conservatism. We have social conservatives, national defense/foreign policy hawks, fiscal/small government conservatives, libertarians, big business, small business, paleo-conservatives, combinations of the same, and I'm sure I'm leaving some out. We agree on 80% of our goals and when we are unified we can accomplish most of what we want.

Contrast that with 1960 when the party was mostly folks whose families had voted Republican since the Civil War with main street and country club conservatives thrown in, and was a chronic minority in Congress that had not elected a real conservative President since Coolidge.

380 posted on 02/28/2007 11:53:01 AM PST by colorado tanker
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