Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002
The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.
Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.
Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.
There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.
When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.
Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.
But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.
This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.
When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.
Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.
If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.
To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.
Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.
If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.
"Let's face the facts that unless most of the Rudy supporters are at heart social liberals, all they care about is low taxes and a pro-business climate. "
Ain't that the truth.
No, you most certainly are NOT.
Heck, I even remember when the Republican Party wanted to keep EVERYBODY out of my bedroom; now they want in.
Dunno. It ain't Rudy
You forgot the part where, when the actual candidate is chosen, saying that they were for them all along, just didn't want to tip their hand.
Like they did with Bush.
He does use this red herring quite a bit. I think it is as you suggest, it is because he uses multiple screennames. He is a disruptor, and all FReeper lurkers should 'caveat emptor'.
"It seems to be a historical lesson lost on some of the "I'll take my marbles and go home if I don't like a candidate crowd.""
That maybe, but the crowd you refer to are fed up with being lied to and told "Just support us and we'll help you" only to get shafted once again.
Never again
Yeah, I've seen your intellectual-sounding arguments for "remodeling" conservatism out of the Republican Party before.
Can you say "Whigs?"
At least you admit that you and your ilk are IN the political graveyard so you can actually HEAR what the relevant issues are going to be, even while you ignore them and try to lead the party off a cliff.
It's not a joke or rumor; I believe it to be a fact.
And another one nails this disruptor!
Rudy vs. Hillary? You sit out?
Actually, to RINOs, compromise is the goal. To conservatives, it's a necessary fact of life.
However, to conservatives, some things are not open to compromise. With RINOs, anything is on the table...even the lives of the innocent unborn.
More like overrun with gay loving, pro abortion anti-constitution types who have no place on a conservative webiste. Say, you wouldn't be one of those Rudy Bloggers who are paid to post this shiite, or are you a retread troll? My money is on retread troll.
Find me a post where someone open to Rudy has called the other side a 'traitor' and I'll concede your point. You won't.
"With RINOs, anything is on the table...even the lives of the innocent unborn."
... and guns, and the 1st Amendment, and the 4th Amendment, and all of the other parts of the Constitution... oh, and democracy, and republicanism, etc, etc, etc...
As Jim Robinson stated the other day, we're in a battle against socialism (and he later included Giuliani in that group of socialists) and so many fail to see it. Hopefully we can turn things around before its too late.
Good, fifth columnist disruptors need to be offended.
You're too kind. I was thinking more along the lines of "bitter old pensioners".
They'd rather be irrelevant than compromise.
Posted by Jim Robinson to Al Simmons
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There are lines that cannot be crossed.
Anti-Gun----------------Anti-Gun
Pro-Abortion------------Pro-Abortion
Looks awful in a dress---Ditto
I could go on but the Rudy-lickers will continue to be in love with the smell of him no matter what.
If he gets the nomination I'm staying home for the first time ever or voting libertarian for the first time ever.
It won't make a nickel's worth of difference who wins.
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