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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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KEYWORDS: 11thcommandment; 1dumbvanity; dinos; duncanhunter; fanatics; fauxreaganites; giuliani; rinos; rinotalkingpoints; rudy; yesrinosmustgo
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To: trisham

It is the repeated posting of the block post that I was addressing ... there is a much more graphic representation of the partial birth killing methodology that gets posted on abortion thread occasions, rightfully so.


2,041 posted on 03/02/2007 11:07:46 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Delphinium

man this thread went way south AND not in a good way LOL

The posts are so outragious and meant to enflame, but really just come across as hysterical. im LMAO!

So this is what happens when hunter breaks 1% huh? HAHA!


2,042 posted on 03/02/2007 11:08:06 AM PST by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08:))
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To: OKIEDOC
>>John McCain is a goner in my estimation.<<

I believe you are correct. In 2000 McCain was the media darling here in NH because of their hatred for Bush. He was the "rock-star candidate" of the primary. Now the media has no such motivation and they have moved this type of coverage to Obama. McCain will not go anywhere without the media hype he received in 2000, no matter how hard he kisses Ted Kennedy's splotchy white buttocks.
2,043 posted on 03/02/2007 11:09:18 AM PST by ParaVet93 (Proud to be a MINO...Moderate in name only)
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To: OMalley

Funny ... great imagery. Entertaining.


2,044 posted on 03/02/2007 11:09:20 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: sensible centrist from NH

Revealing his true nature, watch for McCain to attack the President more as the McCain popularity sinks. Such a shallow little man must not be allowed to head the most powerful position in the world.


2,045 posted on 03/02/2007 11:12:15 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
It is the repeated posting of the block post that I was addressing ... there is a much more graphic representation of the partial birth killing methodology that gets posted on abortion thread occasions, rightfully so.

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Yes, I understand, I think. The problem is that those to whom it is directed have tougher skins and hearts than you.

2,046 posted on 03/02/2007 11:15:59 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: MHGinTN

thanks:)

He reminds me of the nieghbors mini doberman, no bigger than my shoe. runs around GRRRing and bearing his teeth at everyone.

Kinda cute in an annoying way!


2,047 posted on 03/02/2007 11:16:03 AM PST by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08:))
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To: SIDENET

I have a gun. Anyone who can get a permit can buy a gun. I love shooting guns and take my 15 year old stepdaughter and Wife to the shooting range for them to enjoy it too.

Why all this paranoia about the 2nd amendment? Who is saying you can not own a gun?

Limiting some types of guns is ok with me. Just because you limit some types doesn't mean you limit all guns. Gun ownership is guaranteed in the constitution. That can't and wont be taken away unless the Constitution is amended and that takes ratification by the states. Forget it. Guns will never be taken away.

Sitting home and letting Hillary win over a problem that doesn't exist is nuts.

John


2,048 posted on 03/02/2007 11:19:58 AM PST by Diggity
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To: Wormwood
RINO = Redeploy Immigration & Naturalization Officers.
2,049 posted on 03/02/2007 11:54:26 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Diggity
Limiting some types of guns is ok with me.

The Constitution doesn't say that...

2,050 posted on 03/02/2007 11:55:29 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: OMalley
"man this thread went way south AND not in a good way LOL The posts are so outragious and meant to enflame, but really just come across as hysterical. im LMAO! So this is what happens when hunter breaks 1% huh? HAHA!"

Yeah, I kinda doubted that my plea at the start of this thread to keep it polite and rational would last long.

But at least we made 2000 posts. That must mean something #;>)

2,051 posted on 03/02/2007 12:15:53 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Al Simmons

Actually you were doomed, doomed I tell you as soon as you asaked for civility LOL

thats like a curse. you mightve done better to say FLAME AWAY and they probally wouldve been nicer:)

While this thread is like herding cats, making 2000 is impressive. congrats!


2,052 posted on 03/02/2007 12:21:31 PM PST by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08:))
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To: Diggity
Limiting some types of guns is ok with me.

Which ones? Handguns? So-called "assault weapons"? (which aren't, BTW)

Why all this paranoia about the 2nd amendment?

Where exactly is the paranoia?

2,053 posted on 03/02/2007 12:33:24 PM PST by SIDENET (Dem victory= Hillary sending scared GOPers into the arms of a Liberal candidate.)
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To: Dog

I haven't called anyone a troll, only fifth columnist disruptors, like EVie, like Fiercie. I ain't convinced by the admin that they're unique, either.


2,054 posted on 03/02/2007 1:14:19 PM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Al Simmons
These are really interesting times for FR.

Without a doubt. Jim would vote for Hilliary...LOL

2,055 posted on 03/02/2007 4:13:43 PM PST by Syncro
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To: Cold Heat
I think all that time in prison affected McCain's mind.

As it would affect probably just about anyone whether they cooperated with the enemy or not.

McCain lost my support over the Campaign Finance Reform debacle and his breakaway from many Republican ideals to side with Maim Stream Democrat radicals.

In my estimation Maim Stream Radical Democrats are like Muslim Terrorists having no use for anyone who does not agree 100% with their jihadists ideals.

Democrat left wing radicals like some fringe fundamentalists radical Republicans would rather see this great country bite the dust just to prove a selfish point (my way or the highway).

Come November 2008 I will support the candidate that will be most beneficial for America.

John McCain in my eyes is not that person.

You or me or anyone else cannot trust a politician who turns on his base time and again.

Just my lowly opinion.
2,056 posted on 03/02/2007 4:31:49 PM PST by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, Dims Gone Wild, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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To: sensible centrist from NH

Read my post at 2056


2,057 posted on 03/02/2007 4:33:27 PM PST by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, Dims Gone Wild, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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To: SIDENET

Most if not all the anti Rudy comments mention gun control as the reason.

Forget anyone like Rominey or Hunter beating Hillary. Mcclain is a nut.

Who else is there?

John


2,058 posted on 03/02/2007 6:03:50 PM PST by Diggity
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Neither does it say you can own any weapon available either. Machine guns didn't exist in the late 1700's.

I guess some could argue a 105mm Holitzer would be legal since it has a barrel.

How about a nuke??

We can't let Hillary get elected.

John



2,059 posted on 03/02/2007 6:08:42 PM PST by Diggity
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To: Diggity
Neither does it say you can own any weapon available either.

It does not make a distinction, so the government is prohibited from doing so as well...

The straw man, slippery slope argument for gun grabber apologists puts you in the same camp as Mrs. Clinton.

2,060 posted on 03/02/2007 6:24:00 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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