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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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KEYWORDS: 11thcommandment; 1dumbvanity; dinos; duncanhunter; fanatics; fauxreaganites; giuliani; rinos; rinotalkingpoints; rudy; yesrinosmustgo
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To: nopardons

Oh no. Please. Thank you, but No.


1,921 posted on 03/01/2007 11:15:24 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Al Simmons
Oh, but you said : sure ping me and I just did. Go read the post!

I am not lying, I am not making this up, and since I don't know how to do a link, I pinged you to the thread and post that has it all. Hunter says that taking birth control pills is "murder".

1,922 posted on 03/01/2007 11:18:51 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Howlin
I'm beginning to wonder about them as well.

Do you know that Hunter says that taking birth control pills ( no, not the morning after pill and no, not RU47, or whatever that thing is ; regular birth control pills ) is murder?

1,923 posted on 03/01/2007 11:20:44 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

1,924 posted on 03/01/2007 11:23:21 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Al Simmons; Howlin; nopardons

Rudy's position on PBA is exactly the same as Duncan Hunters.....

Washington, D.C. – The House of Representatives yesterday passed H.R. 760, the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003, by a margin of 282-139. Congressman Duncan Hunter (CA-52), who is a cosponsor of the legislation, proudly voted in favor of this measure which prohibits medical doctors, except in situations where the LIFE OF THE MOTHER is threatened, from utilizing certain procedures that involve the partial delivery of a living unborn baby, killing the child, then completing the delivery


1,925 posted on 03/01/2007 11:24:59 PM PST by Blackirish
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To: Al Simmons

Yes, but where's the moon? :-)


1,926 posted on 03/01/2007 11:30:29 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Blackirish

Well, well, well...that's going to explode some heads around here, in a hurry. LOL


1,927 posted on 03/01/2007 11:31:58 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Not moon. FRUIT


1,928 posted on 03/01/2007 11:31:58 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Al Simmons

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....pardon me. :-)


1,929 posted on 03/01/2007 11:32:35 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Looks like we'll hit 2000 posts tomorrow morning some time. I'm amazed.


1,930 posted on 03/01/2007 11:32:49 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Registered
Oh, but Hunter has the exact same stance on PBAs as Rudy does. Isn't that interesting?

OTOH, Hunter wants birth control pills outlaws, because he says that taking them ( and no, he isn't talking about the morning after pill, not RU47 ) is the same as having an abortion.

1,931 posted on 03/01/2007 11:36:25 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons; Spiff

Yeah I just did a little insomniac digging...I'm a light sleeper.....press that far and wide. Let's see if Spiff will spam DH.

Rudy's position on PBA is exactly the same as Duncan Hunters.....

Washington, D.C. – The House of Representatives yesterday passed H.R. 760, the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003, by a margin of 282-139. Congressman Duncan Hunter (CA-52), who is a cosponsor of the legislation, proudly voted in favor of this measure which prohibits medical doctors, except in situations where the LIFE OF THE MOTHER is threatened, from utilizing certain procedures that involve the partial delivery of a living unborn baby, killing the child, then completing the delivery






1,932 posted on 03/01/2007 11:37:14 PM PST by Blackirish
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To: Al Simmons
Wait until certain people get a load of the fact that Hunter and Rudy have the SAME position on partial birth abortion and that Hunter thinks that taking birth control pills is the same as abortion! This thread will go way over 2,000!
1,933 posted on 03/01/2007 11:38:38 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Do you have a link for that?

Checking out the birth control thing is how I found out about the PBA.


1,934 posted on 03/01/2007 11:38:54 PM PST by Blackirish
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To: nopardons; All
"Wait until certain people get a load of the fact that Hunter and Rudy have the SAME position on partial birth abortion and that Hunter thinks that taking birth control pills is the same as abortion! This thread will go way over 2,000!"

Well, they should now "get it". ;>)

Good night.

1,935 posted on 03/01/2007 11:40:10 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Blackirish; Spiff
This is a fact that we must put on every single Rudy and every single Hunter thread. After all, it IS a public service message. :-)

I guess that Hunter is an abortionist now. As another poster said about Rudy, Hunters hands are covered in blood!

1,936 posted on 03/01/2007 11:41:42 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Blackirish
I'll ping you to the thread and to that post; sorry, it's the best I can manage.

Supposedly, it's also on Hunter's website.

1,937 posted on 03/01/2007 11:43:06 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Al Simmons

LOL.....well, they're going to get now! :-)


1,938 posted on 03/01/2007 11:43:43 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Al Simmons; trumandogz
Your 'challenge post' makes it fairly clear that you are a color close to 'Maroon'. You do recall that in the 1990s, in the Toon's first term, there were various movements in states (and in Congress) to impose standardized content requirements on homeschoolers - and if you wouldn't abide, then they could force your kid to go to public school and put you in the pokey.

I was one of the millions who responded to pleas from Dr. Dobson and raised our voices to our representatives in 93-94 to make sure it didn't happen.

Uh huh.

Tell, me, Al, since obviously I wasn't paying attention back then -- what district did Hillary Clinton serve in the House of Representatives? What bill did Hillary Clinton sponsor that would 'make homeschooling illegal?' For that matter, did Bill Clinton say about the subject? A sound byte? One word?

Once again, here's what I wrote in my challenge:


Where, praytell, did you get the idea that Hillary Rodham Clinton would 'make homeschooling illegal'? If she had actually said something like that (I don't have to disprove it -- you have to prove it), what makes you think she could outlaw homeschooling anymore than a pro-life President could outlaw abortion?
Your snarkiness can't hide the truth (which you accuse "Rudy Haters" of denying); Hillary has NEVER said anything about outlawing homeschooling and even if she DID, she couldn't do it by fiat. The same way all the talk of punishing homeschoolers was smacked down during the first Clinton administration would be the way it would be stopped in a second, heaven forbid.

So, like I thought, in order to whip up enthusiasm about Rudy like meringue, you're talking out of your raspberries, and you need a breath mint.

1,939 posted on 03/02/2007 12:38:06 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (“In Hollywood it’s easier to come out as gay than as conservative...” - Joel Surnow, Creator of "24")
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To: nopardons
Do you know that Hunter says that birth control pills should be outlawed, because they're the same as abortions?

The guy who posted that was lying and has been reported to the mods. His snippet came from some pseudo-Christian blog that had nothing to do with Hunter.

1,940 posted on 03/02/2007 1:15:15 AM PST by jmc813 (Rudy Giuliani as the Republican nominee is like Martin Luther being Pope.)
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