Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002
The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.
Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.
Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.
There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.
When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.
Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.
But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.
This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.
When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.
Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.
If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.
To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.
Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.
If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.
1. There was certainly a dearth of qualified GOP lawyers to appoint as judges;
2. Even many of those would be unacceptable ideologically to some of you; and
c. Rudy had to work in a 9-1 'Rat system in NYC. That means if you want to get something done, you might need the support of a 'Rat councilman. And that person may want you to appoint someone to a local judgeship as a quid pro quo.
That's called politics. And bringing up these kinds of "stats" to criticize Rudy - without providing THE CONTEXT - is disingenuous and mendacious.
Oh?
How about a Marine Colonel?
How about - John Murtha?
Still prepared to back the above idiotic statement?
Is he gonna go out himself and fight? Well then that dog don't hunt.
The Chief Executive appoints judges who are confirmed or rejected ... thereby dramatically influencing the social order via the rulings which result from the shading of the courts. Rudy has shown a proclivity for appointing liberal judges ... that is reality and to not address it in political debate is limiting in order to 'get past the social conservative issues for the nomination'. I'm not sure, but I think that's what pisses we conservatives off so much about Rudy and his apologists at FR. Rudy has strengths but he also has weaknesses that need to be aired.
"Rudy had to work in a 9-1 'Rat system in NYC." Oh, so that's why he dressed in drag and pandered to the degenerate crowd and defended abortion on demand and partial birth infanticide. Much clearer now ...
Now is there anyone out here who would NOT want such a provision to be in the law?
Rudy also claimed he opposed the ban previously because it didn't have that provision and yet it did have that provision. Confused yet?
Ha! No, that wasn't me, though I'm a very big fan of Levin's show. I didn't catch it tonight though. What was the call and what was Mark's response?
A partial birth abortion to save the mother's life is a SCIENTIFIC IMPOSSIBILITY.
You keep saying that, but I would like to see you support it with real data. I don't believe it for a moment.
Had to have been someone reading this thread then ... nearly a direct quote of your question to BigSkyFreeper.
Thats awesome! Thanks for alerting me to it. BigSky and myself posted quite a bit to each other this afternoon. Could you point to the specific post you think I was quoted on? Maybe if I'm lucky, I can find a radio station who carries Mark on delay and get a web feed.
It's a perfectly logical statement.
Did a Marine Colonal serve in the military? Of course, so your reply is what is idiotic. Murtha is a fraud and a fool. The only thing keeping him out of federal prison for his actions while in the military, and recent false statements about his service, is the dummacrap majority incongress.
Your tagline is retarded.
Registered Republicans 520,000
Registered Democrats 2,700,000
But you people that are Rudy Supporters want to elect a "Democrat"......will you prostitute yourselves just to get a "republican" elected?
Don't you want to see what rudy really believes....he is so far from conservative thought that its frightening....
If I have to vote for Rudy or Hillary...I just won't vote.
They are one in the same to me.
Your post # 1770 but substituted the DoE for NCLB (as per MadIvans post on the DoE and BigSky affirmation regarding the DoE).
You wanted reasons why Rudy will be the toughest CinC in the WOT.
I provided them.
You've remained silent for over a day.
My read of that:
Check-Mate.
:>)
Well, nobody disagreed with that! Would it not seem that a vote for Rudy is a vote for Roe vs. Wade? I can't imagine voting for a pro-abortion candidate. Who will he nominate to the Supreme Court, anti-abortionists? Of course, murder is no big deal to a small number of people here. The same suspects who wanted Terri Schiavo dead are right here again giving you grief. They are consistent.
Seeming as how he's pledged to appoint justices like Roberts and Alito, no, that isn't at all clear.
Let's say you are right and he pledged that. Would you bet your life on that, or bet a babies life on that?
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