Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.

FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

[nopardons]

Yes, that does get boring; however it IS an accurate statement about those whom I have said that to.

[gpapa]

What are the characteristics of a RINO that you disagree with?

[OMalley]

ROFL

oh yeah so much looooove, we'll all sit around and sing kumbaya once rudy is elected. SIGH....im all a flutter;)

[do the dhue]

If Rudy and Hillery were to win, exactly what are the differences between?

[SIDENET]

Can you not see how rudy is uniting all the freepers? can you not feel the love? What Rudy is doing here he can do for the whole country. wow! imagine that!!

LOL.

[upsdriver]

All I meant is he will not win the nomination. So all this argueing back and forth will be meaningless. He is too polarizing.

[EternalVigilance]

If Rudy and Hillery were to win, exactly what are the differences between?

Rudy would have dresses for the balls?

[You Dirty Rats]

Usually those who attack others as "RINOs" are the same people who threaten to stay home or vote third party if their candidate loses in the primary. Simple case of projection.

I've always voted Republican for President, Governor, Senator, or Representative. I worked on several campaigns when I was younger and had the time; I've supported candidates financially; I never voted third party or stayed home.

So I really don't care if someone wants to call me a "RINO" because I support a Republican candidate they don't like. I suspect in the end you don't care either. I was a Republican before Reagan was elected and I'll be one after Rudy leaves the scene one way or the other -- because the only alternative, the 'rat Party, has no business holding any office above that of dog catcher.

I believe that there are posters attacking Rudy who would rather have Hillary or Obama or some other 'rat in the Oval Office than suffer a loss of influence by losing a primary to someone who has higher priorities than social issues.

Clearly there is a great deal of fear that Rudy will win a fair primary battle. If he does win, there is no law that required primary losers or their supporters to support him. It's a free country. But if they do leave of their own free choice, to whine about being kicked out after losing a fair fight would just be pathetic.

[nopardons]

I can have a great time without the need to rattle on about disgusting behaviors, which for all of you and your ilk's hypocritical talk about principles and family values, is quickly belied by your own words.

You engaged in harassment, were looking forward to my being being upset and having a chance to impugn, bait, and flame me. No, I wasn't going to join that thread, but yes, after so many pings on two different threads ( which is against FR rules, BTW ), I took a quick look at the swear you were all frolicking in and left.

[Sunsong]

This so-called "thought" provoking article fails to address the reality that (1) members of the ideological "base" of each party are more likely to vote; and (2) people in the middle are focused more on candidates, rather than issues, and can be persuaded to vote for a more ideologically pure candidate who articulates well-reasoned policy positions. It is more difficult to alienate a group that doesn't know enough about the issues to form a coherent ideology, than it is to alienate your base.

If your ideologically pure candidate is a bore - the other party's more appealing candidate will win. And if your ideological positions are out of step with the electorate - it will be a landslide for the other side.

[Chena]

Can you not see how rudy is uniting all the freepers? can you not feel the love? What Rudy is doing here he can do for the whole country. wow! imagine that!!

I have to admit, that's funny. LOL

[nopardons]

Please rephrase that query. It is impossible to answer your question as it stands.

[upsdriver]

"Rudy would have dresses for the balls?"

Or? would rudy have dresses and hillary the balls?

[Calpernia]

Ditto 1219.

bump

[OMalley]

Well just d@mn that was suppose to go to delphinium. oh well.

[Reagan Man]

Gotta be honest with ya.

Paragraphs 1,2 & 4 of your last post to me were fine. But that third paragraph was pure, unadulterated whine.

I do not hate Rudy. I hate his politics. I hate liberalism.

Liberalism is the enemy of conservatism. Around FR, if you support Rudy Giuliani don't be surprised if some FReepers see that stance as a betrayal of conservatism. I for one, believe that to be true.

[OMalley]

post 1540 was actually meant for you! im all flustered LOL

[EternalVigilance]

Clearly there is a great deal of fear that Rudy will win a fair primary battle. If he does win, there is no law that required primary losers or their supporters to support him. It's a free country. But if they do leave of their own free choice, to whine about being kicked out after losing a fair fight would just be pathetic.

While not challenging your main premise, I would like to point out that it would appear that it is going to shape up to be a battle between Giuliani, with the media, lying pollsters, mucho dinero, and many of the party's power brokers (who have set the accelerated primary schedule which is friendly to money and more liberal candidates) on his side, versus the conservative grassroots. Does that sound to you like a "fair fight," or one that forces the grassroots folks to start from the bottom of a deep hole?

[upsdriver]

Thank you, I'm having a hard time getting worked up about the same old arguements. But, give me time!

[oceanview]

lying pollsters? I figured after the 2006 republican wipeout, that this nonsense about "the polls are all wrong" would have stopped on FR.

and you are saying that unless the primaries are structured to provide small states, with high concentrations of social conservatives, first in the schedule - that its "unfair"?