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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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KEYWORDS: 11thcommandment; 1dumbvanity; dinos; duncanhunter; fanatics; fauxreaganites; giuliani; rinos; rinotalkingpoints; rudy; yesrinosmustgo
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To: onyx
Dang! That's terrible! Please get well soon.
(FR can't run without you)
J
1,281 posted on 02/28/2007 5:53:11 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Al Simmons

Far out.


1,282 posted on 02/28/2007 5:54:27 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Howlin

And good to see you as well. I have been out touch for the past three months. I've been reluctant to post, didn't want to get a dread "-bot" attached to whatever I was "pro-moting" or "de-nouncing".

Too many people shooting first and not reading until later. Oh well, it's a good thing none of this stuff we spout off ever gets stored on Google caches anyway...

did I really need a sarcasm off tag for that???

1,283 posted on 02/28/2007 5:54:50 PM PST by bwteim (bwteim = begin with the end in mind)
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To: Jim Robinson
All I'm saying Jim is that you could have stepped in and set some rules before the debate got out of hand and Freepers started calling other Freepers "Treasonous Liberals" and "Traitors".

A couple of posters called me that directly, at which point I calmly pointed out to them that it was ironic that I had spent 12 months carrying a .9 mil in a combat zone to preserve their right to call me a traitor. (And those two chaps never peeped up again, BTW.)

1,284 posted on 02/28/2007 5:55:03 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: nopardons
Excellent riff there nopardons. I shall BUMP that post.

:)


1,285 posted on 02/28/2007 5:55:08 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: onyx

The resemblance is remarkable!


1,286 posted on 02/28/2007 5:57:10 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Al Simmons
All I'm saying Jim is that you could have stepped in and set some rules before the debate got out of hand and Freepers started calling other Freepers "Treasonous Liberals" and "Traitors".

I even heard that one Freeper called the other side "Kool Aid" drinkers. Outrageous!

1,287 posted on 02/28/2007 5:57:17 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Jim Robinson

Ya, but you defended the use of the term "treasonous," and then spun it. The spinning I don't think convinced anyone, but your defense was a rather convincing act, in and of itself, as it were.


1,288 posted on 02/28/2007 5:57:17 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: Fiddlstix

I'm feeling a lot better today --- likely because I've "seen" you here now. :0)


1,289 posted on 02/28/2007 5:57:17 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: Howlin

All but the red hair. :0)


1,290 posted on 02/28/2007 5:58:03 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: NittanyLion
"I even heard that one Freeper called the other side "Kool Aid" drinkers. Outrageous!"

Isn't it? THE NERVE!!!

1,291 posted on 02/28/2007 5:58:18 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: TommyDale

If we nominate Rudy -- might as well concede defeat to Hillary.


1,292 posted on 02/28/2007 5:59:38 PM PST by devane617 (Let's take back our country -- get a job in the MSM, or education system. We need you.)
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To: Al Simmons

Great thread!

EV will not support John Cox, and
JR says Keyes would be nuts to run.


1,293 posted on 02/28/2007 6:00:08 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: devane617

If we nominate anyone but Rudy -- might as well concede defeat to Hillary.


1,294 posted on 02/28/2007 6:00:20 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: wireman
IMO, that's a boatload of manure. The guy is already one of the most well known figures in the country.

You can call it whatever you want, but if you bother reading the polls that are constantly posted here to hype Giuliani's candidacy you'll see that most voters do not know his positions on abortion, homosexual rights or gun control. Do you need me to post the links?

1,295 posted on 02/28/2007 6:00:51 PM PST by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: Rex Anderson

All FR threads should be tempered with SOME humor, of which there has been little of late, but I've given it a couple of shots.....


1,296 posted on 02/28/2007 6:01:20 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: woofie
Noise happens. It's part of the process and we shouldn't fear it or try too hard to suppress it. There are big issues at stake, many near and dear to our hearts and people are going to take passionate stands. It's not everyday that our beloved conservative party decides to pull up stakes and move in a totally opposite direction, especially if that direction leads to abandoning deep seated beliefs.
1,297 posted on 02/28/2007 6:02:15 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: Al Simmons

You done good.


1,298 posted on 02/28/2007 6:02:23 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: Al Simmons

Hmm, let's see now... When did you post your ridiculous kool-aid drinker thread? Oh, that's right, BEFORE the one you continue to whine about now. That thread was a direct response to the other one. That was made clear time and time ago. Don't start what you aren't willing to finish.


1,299 posted on 02/28/2007 6:02:28 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: NinoFan

Get over your bad self.


1,300 posted on 02/28/2007 6:03:12 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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