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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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KEYWORDS: 11thcommandment; 1dumbvanity; dinos; duncanhunter; fanatics; fauxreaganites; giuliani; rinos; rinotalkingpoints; rudy; yesrinosmustgo
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To: Reagan Man; Miss Marple
If that's meant as an insult....you've gone too far.

A lot of us were foolish enough to vote for Carter...
..and regret it bitterly!

1,121 posted on 02/28/2007 4:47:23 PM PST by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President....2008!...)
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To: Rex Anderson

You're doing what you usually do...misrepresenting reality. Fact is, Keyes took a salary over twenty years ago when he ran for the Senate in MD. It was legal, but obviously poor politics. So he stopped.

In any case, I suppose you only want billionaires like Kerry to be able to afford to do politics.


1,122 posted on 02/28/2007 4:48:25 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: SJackson

No, but I've been looking for one, got one? :-)


1,123 posted on 02/28/2007 4:48:27 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance

It is really quite amazing that first from Iowa, then West Virginia, then California, and now Idaho, that you know Rudy's staff so well, and their doings, including his newly appointed campaign staff, and even know which side from which they bat. Your sleuthing skills are simply remarkable, not only in the depth and breadth of the information which you gather, also the speed at which you gather it. Color me impressed!


1,124 posted on 02/28/2007 4:49:13 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: garv
Bullseye!
1,125 posted on 02/28/2007 4:49:18 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Shhh, I’m hunting RINOs.)
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To: garv

Right on the money!


1,126 posted on 02/28/2007 4:49:40 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: EternalVigilance

Yeah, I imagine it gets pretty hard to defend your Leader.


1,127 posted on 02/28/2007 4:49:51 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: M. Thatcher
You throw insults around like candy. Name names.

Nah. If you want to go examine Giuliani's staff and vendor roster, go ahead. Bet you won't find a principled conservative in the bunch.

1,128 posted on 02/28/2007 4:50:07 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: garv

well said


1,129 posted on 02/28/2007 4:50:08 PM PST by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President....2008!...)
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To: EternalVigilance
You made the charge. You back it up.

Otherwise, it is another obvious slur pulled out of your...hat.

1,130 posted on 02/28/2007 4:51:08 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: Torie
It is really quite amazing that first from Iowa, then West Virginia, then California, and now Idaho, that you know Rudy's staff so well, and their doings, including his newly appointed campaign staff, and even know which side from which they bat. Your sleuthing skills are simply remarkable, not only in the depth and breadth of the information which you gather, also the speed at which you gather it. Color me impressed!

Gosh, how will you track me now without the Clowns?

1,131 posted on 02/28/2007 4:51:13 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Keyes can't be far behind, with a lot less work, and no election wins! A record in which to be proud.

When will Keyes announce his candidacy, EV?

1,132 posted on 02/28/2007 4:52:10 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: EternalVigilance
The kind of political hacks that work for Giuliani are completely unprincipled, completely mercenary, and are very highly paid.

I would help your argument if you named names, instead of just lashing out baseless charges.

1,133 posted on 02/28/2007 4:52:34 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: M. Thatcher
You made the charge. You back it up. Otherwise, it is another obvious slur pulled out of your...hat.

No need. Any political person who would work for Rooty is by definition an unprincipled hack.

1,134 posted on 02/28/2007 4:52:46 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

See #1134.


1,135 posted on 02/28/2007 4:53:34 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: EternalVigilance
A perfect example of circular logic.

You made a charge you can't support.

1,136 posted on 02/28/2007 4:54:01 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: BigSkyFreeper
EV has no names, just insults.

But he does seem to know many unprincipled political hacks....personally!

1,137 posted on 02/28/2007 4:54:12 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: M. Thatcher

A bunch of them are no doubt from NYC (and therefore as we all know, greedy, gay and Godless), so it is really res ipsa loquitur. Naming names and deeds would simply be surplusage.


1,138 posted on 02/28/2007 4:54:15 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: TommyDale
"IS DRIVING CONSERVATIVES OUT OF THE GOP GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY? THOUGHT-PROVOKING MUST-READ FOR RUDY-LOVERS."

I nominate you for, "FREEPER OF THE YEAR!!!!" Never a truer statement made on FR. I am wondering where the conservative GOP went.

1,139 posted on 02/28/2007 4:55:06 PM PST by devane617 (Let's take back our country -- get a job in the MSM, or education system. We need you.)
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To: Torie

Quite.


1,140 posted on 02/28/2007 4:55:35 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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