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Gun Remark Kills Outdoorsman's Career (WP)
The Washington Post ^ | 24 FEB 07 | Blaine Harden

Posted on 02/24/2007 5:18:52 PM PST by xsrdx

SEATTLE - Modern hunters rarely become more famous than Jim Zumbo. A mustachioed, barrel-chested outdoors entrepreneur who lives in a log cabin near Yellowstone National Park, he has spent much of his life writing for prominent outdoors magazines, delivering lectures across the country and starring in cable TV shows about big-game hunting in the West.

Zumbo's fame, however, has turned to black-bordered infamy within America's gun culture -- and his multimedia success has come undone. It all happened in the past week, after he publicly criticized the use of military-style assault rifles by hunters, especially those gunning for prairie dogs.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; zumbo; zumbothedumbo
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To: Dale 1
They are big and fat, they’re slow and easy targets.

Ever actually seen one? Outside of the zoo?

Didn't think so.

Scoped, high capacity semiauto rifles are perfectly adapted to keeping the prairie dog menace in check.

Machine guns are not as effective, prairie dogs invented defilade.

281 posted on 02/25/2007 8:12:42 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: xsrdx

lose Pat Wray too.


282 posted on 02/25/2007 9:28:16 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Dont')
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To: Dale 1

"You’re right, I don’t the difference between a 223 and a 22 caliber – actually, I’ve never hear of a 223.

My comment was meant to make a distinction between “hunting” and general firepower. When I hunt I always select what I consider to be appropriate – I’ve never hunted ground hogs, but I doubt that I select a high-powered assault weapon for that.

The original reason for this discussion was that a renowned sportsman didn’t think using assault weapons to hunt prairie dogs was appropriate. I agree with him."


It appears your agreement stems from ignorance of the subject matter. You will change your mind when you are better informed.


283 posted on 02/25/2007 9:55:33 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Dont')
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To: xsrdx

The left is cranking up another AWB campaign. It must me time to buy another gun and a pile of 15 round Glock magazines. When Clinton was President I bought a new gun almost every year.


284 posted on 02/25/2007 10:01:19 AM PST by claudiustg
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To: xsrdx
Gun Remark Kills Outdoorsman's Career

Good, because Zumbo still doesn't understand that the 2A isn't about hunting. ....and I doubt he ever will. (He apologized for his comments only after learning that many hunters do indeed use "assault" rifles in the field, as if that fact makes any difference whatsoever as far as whether or not they should be legal).

285 posted on 02/25/2007 10:21:42 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: holymoly
My point is, it's not a literal translation.

A lot is lost in translation.

286 posted on 02/25/2007 10:29:06 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: holymoly
Babelfish is pretty primitive.

It will give you a word - not necessarily the best word, or the etymologically correct word - something with which to make yourself understood (usually.)

What we need is the German equivalent of the O.E.D.

287 posted on 02/25/2007 10:47:32 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Melas
My husband loathed the first M-16s. He wanted his M-14 back (he settled more recently for this):


'cept his is Belgian, not Brazilian.

The modern select-fire weapons are better than the early M-16s, but we're still prejudiced.

288 posted on 02/25/2007 10:52:06 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: flashbunny; Dale 1
Plenty of people shoot prairie dogs at long distances with their rifles. A .22lr or slingshot are not long distance weapons. Accurized AR's are great for "varmint" hunting and are widely used. For about $1,000 (not counting glass) you (well, not YOU) can get a sub MOA rifle that can accept a 20 round mag (because 30's can cause trouble when prone).

I'm willing to bet that Dale1 has no idea what MOA is and that he/she has never seen a NRA or CMP highpower rifle match where accurized AR-15's, in the hands of good shooters, hit a circle the size of a mans chest over 90% of the time from 600 yards with iron sights.
289 posted on 02/25/2007 10:57:40 AM PST by Tailback
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To: holymoly

Don't you just hate it when we have to keep explaining those things to people that evidently still watch the MSM news outlets? I figured if you belong to FR you should already know the things you just stated. Looks like I'm wrong again.


290 posted on 02/25/2007 11:06:38 AM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Babelfish is pretty primitive.

That's true.

However, its' translation of "rifle/gewehr" is somewhat supported by other sources, such as the translation provided on the army.mil site I quoted earlier.

Then there is britannica.com, which, like the U.S. Army, has no stake in the gun control debate.

Britannica.com defines Assault Rifle as:

"military firearm that is chambered for ammunition of reduced size or propellant charge and that has the capacity to switch between semiautomatic and fully automatic fire"

However, a search of britannica.com for "assault weapon" returns no specific results.

The New English-German Dictionary, when translating "rifle", offers a number of variations, including:

"air rifle -- das Luftgewehr"
"automatic rifle -- das Sturmgewehr"
"rifle -- das Gewehr"

Translating "weapon" returns several variations, including:

"biochemical weapons -- die Biowaffe"
"hand weapon -- die Handwaffe"
"loaded weapon -- die scharfe Waffe"
"weaponless -- unbewaffnet"

It seems to me that "assault weapon" would be "sturmwaffe", not "sturmgewehr".

While it's hard to find "reliable" info on the net, Guncite is highly regarded and respected. I trust their translation of "Assault rifle"/"Sturmgewehr" (at the link provided).

If "sturmgewehr" means "assault weapon", rather than "assault rifle", than these sources, as well as a great many authors of books & articles, documentaries, etc. have all gotten it wrong.

And I hope I haven't bored you with all of this. ;)

291 posted on 02/25/2007 11:53:04 AM PST by holymoly (Molon Labe)
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To: gotribe
So if the intent of the 2nd amendment was to keep government at bay through the threat of force and a bloody revolution every 200 years, how is that possible today?

The odds looked much the same to a bunch of ragtag Colonists, farmers, merchants and such, facing the most powerful navy and one of the best equipped and trained armies in the world at the time. And only one third of the Colonists supported it with another third in support of the British.

292 posted on 02/25/2007 11:56:07 AM PST by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
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To: fish hawk
Don't you just hate it when we have to keep explaining those things to people that evidently still watch the MSM news outlets?

Some people just aren't "in to" guns. Unlike me, they don't read the books & magazines. They don't watch the "Tales of the Gun" and other documentaries on the History Channel & Military Channel.

IMO If we can possibly educate them, we should. Our enemy's greatest weapon is ignorance.

I figured if you belong to FR you should already know the things you just stated.

As I mentioned to someone else, there are always liberal lurkers here. I try to keep that in mind when posting to threads like this.

I never assume that people reading these threads know as much as you, or I, about firearms.

293 posted on 02/25/2007 12:08:44 PM PST by holymoly (Molon Labe)
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To: holymoly

Not at all. I'm sure that's what it means now, what I'm interested in is what it meant originally.


294 posted on 02/25/2007 12:18:32 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Teacher317; Krankor

I hunt varmints of all kinds; but when hunting coyotes I often have an AR-15. My favorite rifle is a 7mm Mag Sako, but it only holds five rounds. Coyotes many times give me 7-10 targets in one spot. I want to get rid of as many as I can, stopping to reload is not and option. Plus 5.56 is cheaper that 7mag.A good day is 25-30 coyotes in the back of the truck.


295 posted on 02/25/2007 12:20:14 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (So many geeks, so few circuses.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Not at all.

Well, that's a relief.

I'm sure that's what it means now, what I'm interested in is what it meant originally.

I leave that to historians & linguists to debate.

And now, I will bow out of the "weapon vs. rifle" discussion (which I enjoyed), with this:

While every rifle can be a weapon, not every weapon is a rifle. ;o)

296 posted on 02/25/2007 12:32:12 PM PST by holymoly ("A lot" is TWO words.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Are you a hunter or an exterminator? Hunting involves at least a modicum of skill. Slaughtering animals doesn't.


297 posted on 02/25/2007 12:33:42 PM PST by Krankor (kROGER)
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To: holymoly

And let's avoid posting that old poem that everybody learned back in the day . . . "This is my weapon . . ."


298 posted on 02/25/2007 12:37:30 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Krankor
It's called the "wily coyote" for a reason. Hunting them definitely calls for skill.

First you can't define "assault weapon". Then you think that hunting coyotes is "slaughtering". Never had a house cat or a small dog nabbed by a coyote, have you? The plague of coyotes here is so bad, they have wiped out all the outdoor cats in this area and most of the small dogs. The neighborhood association has hired a professional trapper. Last month he got a total of 80.

When you're in a hole, stop digging.

299 posted on 02/25/2007 12:41:13 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother
And let's avoid posting that old poem that everybody learned back in the day . . . "This is my weapon . . ."

Cough! "Old poem?!" If General Rupertus could hear you...

Lol.

300 posted on 02/25/2007 12:44:53 PM PST by holymoly ("A lot" is TWO words.)
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