Posted on 02/22/2007 6:22:34 PM PST by Boxen
Its more vocal adherents augment that perception by their infantile behavior.
For consideration as a valid science, I would place Evolutionism at least a few steps below Cold Fusion, and perhaps one step above its stepchild, Environmentalism.
I don't have the time or inclination to discuss these things in detail.
If you are sincere, and really wish to explore the facts mitigating against Evolutionism, and to entertain them as things to consider by a thinking person with an open mind, then there are much better and more technical sources than yours truly, and you seem perfectly capable of conducting the research and compiling the results without my help.
I did half of my six years of graduate school in evolution and closely related fields.
I know the facts of evolution, and I have conducted the research and compiled the results without your help.
The arguments we see on these threads against evolution are almost always from religion (apologetics), and they generally pervert what evolution actually says, and misrepresent the scientific method.
For example, those who need to find evidence for a young earth, pervert the radiocarbon dating technique by one of several methods, including arbitrarily changing the rate of beta decay, claiming (falsely) that there is no accounting for atmospheric variation in C14, claiming that the method only extends back some 4,000 (or 7,000) years, etc. These claims ignore established science because the proponents have to discredit the method because they cannot abide by the results!
There are still a few scientists left on this website. Until banned, we still can call BS on anti-science nonsense.
You ask for an open mind? I have found far more open minded folks among scientists than creationists. Scientists say, "Show me the evidence." Creationists say, "My mind is made up; I won't believe your evidence no matter what you show me." Now where is the open mind?
Yep, it's all a communist plot.
Good for you. I place Evolutionism a step below Astrology. It far better qualifies as a philosophy of history than it does as a science.
Howsit hanging? Did you ever get around to the microwave and chocolate experiment?
>>Good for you. I place Evolutionism a step below Astrology.<<
Well it sure is a lot newer...
Scientists are even fired for presenting all the evidence that is overwhelmingly against evolutonists in universities!
Irreducible complexity simply put is that one or more entities is required symotaneously, therefor they had to be in existance at all times, not over a happenstance chance of one thing developing and then the other, And this irreducible complexity is everywhere.
Hehe. I knew before clicking on your post you'd still be stuck in chocolate. Do you really think the average human is capable of, and interested in, observing the speed of light with any accuracy? What percentage of the world's population is using microwaves and chocolate to make such observations? Are EMP's the be-all and end-all of scientific measurements?
Good grief. Why not try the cutting edge some day instead of sticking yourself into Hersheyville? Or is dark all that matters?
Well, of course! About time you cut and paste a reliable comment!
We have been trying to tell you for weeks that the radiocarbon method goes back only some 50,000 years.
it is only useful for relatively well-preserved organic materials such as cloth, wood, and other non-fossilized materials
Charcoal is the preferred material for radiocarbon dating, but bone, shell, and other once-living materials can also provide usable dates.
Here is another good site for information on radiocarbon dating.
How come in the 60s evolutionists said the universe was only millions of years old now its billions? from millions to billions thats quite a mathmatical error wouldnt you say? Oh yeah they use to say we were in a global cooling crisis too now its global warming! When we know already the the earth goes in cycles every ten to twenty years from a cooling stage and then to a warming stage.
Good posts, Westbrook!
Blind spot? what does that got to do with anything that shows evidence to a bad design, show me how it is a bad design, and not with oppion propaganda!
Chickens have genetics for teeth because thats in there gene pool from there original KIND, but there is no adding to the gene pool, and they could be flightless from a lot of breeding dominant and recessive genes, that means nothing, Penguins are flightless birds also but they swim very well.
Who says the human jaw is to small? you! over time people could have become recessive gene reasons, and perhaps you might know that in early days in the bible it mentions that mankind lived from five hundred to nine hundred + years of age people can have dispositions for disease or problems or seemingly problems but that doesnt constitute a bad design. Also it mentions that God cursed the earth and that we would now die, and as a result we have disease etc.... but everything still remains in its gene pool, if you will.
Hip bones in whales? these are hip bones? what evidence bonafies that? - pure propaganda no evidence junk!
Who says the holes in the abdominal is vulnerable? you again and the propagandists? Show me evidence of poor design, you claiming something is vulnerable isnt evidence! So as I said pure Junk! and I even went light in my rebutal! If you want resources I can get those too!
"We may not be Masters of our own destiny...this designer may expect somthing from us...and that is unacceptable to many of us".
If you think you are the "Master of your own destiny", just don't pay your taxes for a few years. Try figuring a way to prevent dying. If unsuccessful at that, then try to figure out how to survive the Grave.
When you've succeeded in all that, get back to me.
The knownfossil record fails to document a SINGLE example of phyltic evolution accomplishing a major morphologic transition and hence offers no evidence that the gradulistic model can be valid. ( Steven M. Stanley,1979)
As a generative principle, providing the raw material for natural selection, random mutation is inadequate, both in scope and theoretical grounding,(Jeffrey S. Wicken)
Just so many more quotes I could post its not even funny!
Ha!
Do you really think the average human is capable of, and interested in, observing the speed of light with any accuracy?
About 15% are capable of, and maybe 1% are interested in.
Where do you (not) fall in the spectrum?
What percentage of the world's population is using microwaves and chocolate to make such observations? Are EMP's the be-all and end-all of scientific measurements?
As a guess about 0.7% use chocolate and the other 0.3% use cheese. And that's EMR (electro-magnetic radiation), it's not the end-all of scientific measurements.
Just one of the ways to measure the speed of light.
Good grief. Why not try the cutting edge some day instead of sticking yourself into Hersheyville?
Such as what, Nestles?
Or is dark all that matters?
Oh no. They have white chocolate too ...
God made the squid and octopus & mantis shrimp to rule over the earth.
We just don't know it yet.
What does panda meat taste like?
Evolution is a tricky word, but it does indeed happen - within species. My rat terriers are anything but wolf-like, and it amazes me that they could be bred down over the centuries to protect me, rather then have me for dinner. If the evolutionists would cease resorting to ad hominem attacks, their viewpoint would become more palatable. To both sides: if the science is pure, or at least sincere, then I am all for it.
"So what is ID's theory about why there are no 600 million-year-old mammal fossils?"
Beats me, but if I had to guess, I suspect it might be along the same lines as my theory about why there are no 1783 Ford Mustangs.
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