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Testimony of Oscar Juarez: [Cry for Help in Border Patrol Trial of Ramos & Compean]
Sue Bob's Diary ^
| February 12, 2007
| Attorney Jeri Ward
Posted on 02/21/2007 7:42:04 PM PST by Moseley
When I was younger, I saw a movie from the 1950s about prisoners of war in a Korean POW camp during the Korean war. Some of the prisoners were forced, through torture, to make a propaganda film condemning the United States.
The prisoners made the filmbut they sabotaged it by making pop culture remarks and references that only Americans could understand in order to telegraph to their country that they were not traitors and did not agree with what their captors were forcing them to say.
I remembered that movie while reading Oscar Juarezs testimony explaining why he did not pull his gun or fear for his safety during the confrontation between Aldrete-Davila and Compean that fateful day on February 17, 2005. I remembered it because Juarezs testimony on that point is so absurd that it is either the testimony of a man who didnt give a darn about how he performed his jobor a desperate attempt to tell the world that he didnt mean a word of it and that he was trapped by the prosecutionlike a pinned bug,
As I told you here, I received copies of the transcribed testimony of the three agents who testified against Ramos and Compean from Jerome Corsi at WND. I am now discussing the testimony of Oscar Juarezthe supposed eye-witness to the discharge of weapons. His testimony is here
It is evident that the story the prosecution wanted the jury to buy (which it did) was that Border Patrol agents arent really supposed to catch people.
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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; border; borderagents; borderpatrol; compean; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; ramos
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posted on
02/21/2007 7:42:07 PM PST
by
Moseley
To: Moseley
It is evident that the story the prosecution wanted the jury to buy (which it did) was that Border Patrol agents arent really supposed to catch people. Everyone knows that.
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posted on
02/21/2007 7:46:52 PM PST
by
misterrob
(Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
To: Moseley
The more I hear about this case, the more it makes me sick to my stomach.
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posted on
02/21/2007 8:34:17 PM PST
by
YoungAmerican84
(Honorary member of the World Zionist Conspiracy)
To: calcowgirl
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posted on
02/21/2007 8:34:55 PM PST
by
SoCalPol
(Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
To: Ajnin; Arizona Carolyn; Calpernia; CAluvdubya; christynsoldier; Cyropaedia; dennisw; Digger; ...
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posted on
02/21/2007 9:47:15 PM PST
by
calcowgirl
("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
To: Moseley
trapped by the prosecution like a pinned bug
BumP
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posted on
02/21/2007 9:49:12 PM PST
by
NormsRevenge
(Semper Fi ......)
To: NormsRevenge
Juarez had to be the sleaziest of the bunch. He told 4 (or 5) different stories to the DHS-OIG investigator. In September, 7 months after the incident and being threatened by the Prosecution with an indictment, he must have finally told the story they wanted to hear--that he saw Compean fire a couple shots. Even the DHS-OIG investigator testified that he didn't believe this story. Juarez continued to change his testimony while on the witness stand. None of his story added up.
The thing about bot Juarez and Vasquez's testimony that doesn't make sense, as SueBob points out, is that both of them pretty much stood twiddling their thumbs while they heard gunshots. Neither of them ducked or asked the other where they thought the shots were coming from. Neither of them said they were concerned for their safety. Neither of them said they were concerned for the safety of their fellow officers over the levee. I sure hope this is not how our Border Agents perform.
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posted on
02/21/2007 10:03:38 PM PST
by
calcowgirl
("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
To: calcowgirl
Exactly my feelings, cc. [I didn't think I would make it thru the whole additional transcript but I did.] I simply found it incredulous that the two agents at the van heard gunshots but did not respond. Juarez had a few other far fetched statements as well. One wonders if the feds threatened him with such penalties that he was scared he would mess up or if he was just that goofy by nature.
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posted on
02/21/2007 10:21:53 PM PST
by
FOXFANVOX
(God Bless the Military!)
To: FOXFANVOX
It's also incredulous when you compare the two stories. Vasquez was less than a minute behind Juarez et al in chasing Aldrete to the ditch. But Juarez says when he arrived, he went down in the ditch, saw Aldrete, saw Compean, saw Aldrete cross the ditch, watched an altercation, saw Aldrete and climb to the top and run past Compean, saw Compean fire shots, etc. and then casually walks back to the top of the ditch by the van. Vasquez says Juarez was "just standing there" by the van when he arrived. That's a whole lot of activity and movement for less than one minute. And Juarez never ever mentioned a thing to Vasquez. The story doesn't add up.
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posted on
02/21/2007 10:33:05 PM PST
by
calcowgirl
("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
To: FOXFANVOX
"I simply found it incredulous that the two agents at the van heard gunshots but did not respond."
It is unrealistic isn't it? The only explanation is they knew Compean was firing at an unarmed target that was far away and almost back to Mexico.
There is no other explanation for their behavior.
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posted on
02/22/2007 1:34:41 AM PST
by
Bob J
(RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
To: calcowgirl
Plus the fact the Juarez says he never heard or saw Ramos, who was the first and only officer to cross the ditch to help Compean and couldn't have been more than 20 feet away from him.
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posted on
02/22/2007 1:37:03 AM PST
by
Bob J
(RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
To: NormsRevenge
They were pinned like a bug because their statements and testimony were so contradictory and unbelieveable that no one would believe them. Any of them.
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posted on
02/22/2007 1:39:05 AM PST
by
Bob J
(RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
To: YoungAmerican84
There seems to be another over at wnd this AM. It will make you gag, too.
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posted on
02/22/2007 2:56:47 AM PST
by
freeangel
( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
To: Moseley
The environment in the Border Patrol fosters the kind of conduct we have seen in the Ramos/Campean case. You will never get into trouble by not doing your job. If you consistantly do your job you will get in trouble.
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posted on
02/22/2007 3:10:28 AM PST
by
Ajnin
(Neca Eos Omnes. Deus Suos Agnoset.)
To: Bob J; All
Bob, you seem to staying up nights pushing your theory on this case. Could you please tell us what agenda is pushing your unflinching resolve?
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posted on
02/22/2007 6:07:40 AM PST
by
wolfcreek
(Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
To: Bob J
Plus the fact the Juarez says he never heard or saw Ramos, who was the first and only officer to cross the ditch to help Compean and couldn't have been more than 20 feet away from him. Juarez was only a few car lengths behind Ramos, but never saw him. Does not compute.
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posted on
02/22/2007 8:03:09 AM PST
by
calcowgirl
("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
To: Bob J
The only explanation is they knew Compean was firing at an unarmed target that was far away and almost back to Mexico. There is no other explanation for their behavior. WHEW!!!! And where do you get THAT?!? Your logic skills are lacking, or you have read too much Sutton fiction.
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posted on
02/22/2007 8:04:58 AM PST
by
calcowgirl
("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
To: calcowgirl
Trial transcripts show Compean had mentioned to, I think, 2 other agents that he thought Ramos had shot Davilo. I've read the transcripts and at the time Ramos pulled the trigger, Davilo was almost at the edge of the Rio Grande.
The only reason Compean could have thought Ramos dropped Davilo is because he saw Davilo fall to the ground right after Ramos shot and then see him limp back into Mexico.
Agreed, this is an opinion based on trial evidence. I ask you, if we take the testimony of the other agents that Compean said "I think Ramos shot him" at face value, why do you think Compean believed Ramos' bullet hit Davilo? What did he see that made him believe this?
Understood we are in conjecture mode.
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posted on
02/22/2007 7:45:42 PM PST
by
Bob J
(RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
To: Bob J
One more time... read closely what you said:
The only explanation is they knew Compean was firing at an unarmed target ... See anything wrong with that?
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posted on
02/22/2007 7:50:24 PM PST
by
calcowgirl
("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
To: Bob J
More:
There is no other explanation for their behavior. See it yet?
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posted on
02/22/2007 7:53:06 PM PST
by
calcowgirl
("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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