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Is the American Right ready for Rudy?
Guardian ^ | 02/10/07

Posted on 02/20/2007 12:22:22 PM PST by BunnySlippers

But that analysis may be too simple. In Delaware Giuliani is asked for the umpteenth time if his views on 'social issues' would be fatal to his presidential ambitions. 'I don't get to decide what the issues are. But they are not usually the ones you think they are going to be,' he says. He is right. National security will still be the overwhelming issue of 2008. Giuliani's strong credentials there could make up for weaknesses elsewhere. There are also signs that his problems with the conservatives could be overstated. First, their power is waning. In 2006's congressional elections the Democrats' most notable scalps were conservative heroes such as Senators Rick Santorum and George Allen. Secondly, Giuliani's outreach campaign to that wing of the party has already notched some notable wins. In the key state of Iowa, which votes first in the nomination race, he has been received warmly. He has held a huge fundraiser in the heart of Texas and delivered a keynote convention speech to the notoriously rightwing California Republican Party. But the greatest thing in his favour is simply his career so far. Giuliani has been constantly underestimated and written off. Yet he has always come through. Even his critics admit it would be madness to rule him out. 'He's capable of pulling it off,' says Paul Moses. 'He could be the next president.'

Back in Miami, Giuliani milks the crowd. He talks at length about Iraq and the challenges that America faces in the world. He appeals to Democrats and Republicans alike with a muscular optimism that will surely form the core message of any coming campaign. It is brave talk and it is honest talk.

(Excerpt) Read more at observer.guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
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To: twonie

I suggested some tweaks and hope that he's too busy doing them right now.


41 posted on 02/20/2007 12:54:04 PM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: BunnySlippers
Hey, if the neo-marxist Guardian is writing puff pieces for Rudy, how can we fail? /sarc

You people really do think we're stupid, don't you?
42 posted on 02/20/2007 12:54:54 PM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope." -Duncan Hunter)
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To: Fawn

On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." -Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.


The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate

In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?

Soft on Gay Marriage

Other than tax cuts, the biggest domestic issue of the 2004 election was President Bush's support of a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani has taken a "Kerryesque" position on gay marriage.

Although Rudy, like John Kerry, has said that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, he also supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades" ...dressed up in drag on national television for a skit on Saturday Night Live (and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:

His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."

Here's more from the New York Daily News:

"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."

Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.

Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:

"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE OF RUDY GIULIANI'S LEFT-WING POLITICAL POSITIONS


43 posted on 02/20/2007 12:55:12 PM PST by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: BunnySlippers; Jim Robinson
"How many Freepers actually believe this hogwash?" Jim Robinson
44 posted on 02/20/2007 12:55:24 PM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: Hydroshock
We are ready for him alright. Ready to vote down this liberal rino infavor or a conservative.

Who's this WE, Kemo Sabe.

45 posted on 02/20/2007 12:55:58 PM PST by MilesBennell
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To: BunnySlippers
Just look at how they put their heads in the sand!

That's not putting our heads in the sand...

It's not letting YOU put our heads in the sand.

46 posted on 02/20/2007 12:57:03 PM PST by papertyger
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To: MilesBennell

They prefer HILLARY!!!!


47 posted on 02/20/2007 12:57:21 PM PST by BunnySlippers (RUDY FOR PRESIDENT 2008)
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To: My2Cents
"Is the American right ready to be realistic and pragmatic?" would be the better question.

But the best question of all is: "Is the American Right stupid enough to fall for a snake-oil salesman like Rudy Giuliani."
48 posted on 02/20/2007 12:58:13 PM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope." -Duncan Hunter)
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To: papertyger

No doubt, kinda telling aint it.


49 posted on 02/20/2007 1:00:05 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Antoninus
You people really do think we're stupid, don't you?

Not really stupid, but you have to admit...Hunter has to get on board soon or he'll miss the flight.

I wish a social conservative were leading in the polls, but so far, that's just not happening. And, for the sake of our troops, the democrats must not win.

50 posted on 02/20/2007 1:00:34 PM PST by MilesBennell
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To: Fawn

I have seen your list on another thread. Nice touch, but it still does not convince me that a social liberal is the right candidate to lead our country, just like Arnie here in California, Rudy's soul mate.


51 posted on 02/20/2007 1:02:01 PM PST by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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To: BunnySlippers

I am Conservative and a Republican, Hillary is neither.


52 posted on 02/20/2007 1:04:06 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: BunnySlippers

I am Conservative and a Republican, Hillary is neither.


53 posted on 02/20/2007 1:04:10 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: MilesBennell
Not really stupid, but you have to admit...Hunter has to get on board soon or he'll miss the flight.

Uh, in case you haven't noticed, the primaries are still a year away. We're WAY early in the cycle and the MSM have kicked things off early this time around.

If Hunter's not in the mix by mid-Summer, I'll reassess. But I guarantee you, it won't be in favor of Rudy. I simply don't vote for liberals, regardless of party.
54 posted on 02/20/2007 1:06:43 PM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope." -Duncan Hunter)
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To: Antoninus
In case you haven't noticed the primaries and the general are also a $100 mil away. Hunter better get going.

Also, abstaining is a vote for the enemy.

55 posted on 02/20/2007 1:10:13 PM PST by MilesBennell
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To: Fawn

Missing from your list: Rudy is a liberal.


56 posted on 02/20/2007 1:10:35 PM PST by afnamvet (It is what it is)
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To: FreeInWV; Reagan Man; Fierce Allegiance; EternalVigilance; B Knotts; jmc813; Kimberly GG; Sun; ...

Ping.


57 posted on 02/20/2007 1:15:32 PM PST by NapkinUser (Free Ramos and Compean! Disbarment for the Nifong-wannabe Johnny Sutton.)
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To: twonie; Spiff

"OK. We are up to post #17, and no chart has appeared. It's not right!"

Looks like a job for Spiff!


58 posted on 02/20/2007 1:20:07 PM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: BunnySlippers

I've been saying that Rudy is the pet of the liberal media, and this proves it.


59 posted on 02/20/2007 1:28:59 PM PST by hellbender
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To: NapkinUser

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1788116/posts?page=27#27


60 posted on 02/20/2007 1:34:20 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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