Posted on 02/18/2007 4:12:23 PM PST by Jim Robinson
I don't know about you, but I doubt the Christian conservatives throughout the red state farm belt and especially down in the South are going to cotton to a liberal New York Yankee coming down to try to clean up crime by taking their guns and bringing abortion and gay unions (gay marriage) into their families, schools and churches.
It is no assumption, it is truth...
Twenty percent of the GOP won't vote for Rudy because he is so pro-choice. Another 25 percent have serious reservations.
And that doesn't even start to get at Rudy's problems he will have with the NRA bloc.
Sorry, I thought this was a simple enough illustration that anyone could understand. I guess I was wrong. Let me break it down for you.
I am not comparing Rudy's leadership to Hitler.
I am saying that people who claim that we should vote for someone (Hitler, Stalin, Rudy, Hillary, Romney, AlGore, Bush, Reagan, Washington, Licoln, or for that matter me) simply because they possess good leadership skills need to understand the ability to lead is only one part of the equation. You have to take a long hard look at where that person wants to lead you and decide if that is where you want to go.
Rudy, for example, might well be a skilled leader, but he supports gay marriage, gun control, assault weapons bans, amnesty for illegals, gays in the military, abortion, embryonic stem cell research and other positions that I believe are wrong for the country.
If I am going to elect someone who has Rudy's positions, I could only hope that he or she was a poor leader and would not be able to accomplish those goals.
Duncan Hunter.
A serious comment on a thread full of snide remarks:
Who do you think the final match-up will be?
Who's called Hunter a wimp? I don't think anyone thinks Hunter is a wimp. Hunter just isn't as politically viable as his supporters think. This thread is a great example with well over 600 posts. Most of the Rudy threads generation a like amount of interest. Hunter...not so much.
Duncan Hunter seems like a nice fellow, but he has no chance whatever. Look at the polls. Isn't he always one of those unname 'others' down at the bottom of the published results? Wake up.
Rudy used gun control to save a city. Again I invoke Lincoln. Lincoln understood that sometimes you have to go outside the system to save the system... and he saved the nation.
And speaking of Lincoln, he had virtually no military experience.
I confess the statement you referenced disappointed me; I am giving him the benefit of the doubt here, calling it an early reflexive move perhaps to protect against reciprocal accusations. (Recall that he was chief executive of the city that was decimated.)
And I am not calling you a DU plant. I call you simply misguided. Read my statement carefully. Note the word 'some.'
If I had to guess right now, I would say Newt v. Edwards with Rudy and Obama as running mates.
Interesting race if true.
Could Newt beat the Breck Girl?
'clinton machine' plants is what I was talking about, in any case. You're confusing me with someone else.
In February of 1975 NOBODY on the national scene had a clue who Jimmy Carter was and in February of 1991 the people who happened to know who Clinton was could only remember that he spoke FOREVER at the 1988 DNC convention.
See what I wrote in #148, the problem with being the frontrunner a year and a half before the election is that it almost never works out. Of course there are exceptions, but let's look at some of them:
1988 Republican: Everyone pretty much understood that the nomination was going to GHWB.
1996 Republican: A lot of people wanted to give Bob Dole his "turn" at being the "standard bearer" and the reality is that nobody expected him (or anyone else) to have a realistic chance of winning.
2000 Democrat: Everyone knew that Algore had the nomination.
2000 Republican: Bush was the early perceived frontrunner, but a year and a half out the "conventional wisdom" was that Algore was unbeatable.
Rudy is a street fighter--and a street fighter with DOJ connections, unlike those faux doctrinally pure non-urban wimp alternatives I hear bandied about.
Of course, MiaT will now say she really didn't mean Hunter. Just like she'll say she really didn't mean ME when she was talking about those in the employ of the DNC.
Faced with a hillary clinton alternative, most of those people have the wits and moral compass to hold their collective nose and pull the R lever. And then he has the pickup of independents and even some Ds.
In other words, the situation is not nearly so dire as you fantasize.
Newt could easily win.
Please. You look silly with that stretch.
That is pathetic, that you could drink so deeply of the Kool-Aid to believe that. Taking guns away from law-abiding citizens DOES NOT FIGHT CRIME. That has been documented time and time again. Yet you compare that idiocy to LINCOLN SAVING THE UNION.
noseholder voters do not contribute cash, nor do they leave their homes to volunteer/work for the object of the noseholding. you overestimate his ability to draw. rudy votes will be grudgingly cast at best and an unenthused electorate does not turn out.
I'm a Newt guy myself and I think you and I have actually discussed that.
I just wonder if he could effectively shake the "bad" reputation he has and capture enough of the independent vote to pull off states like Ohio, Iowa, Florida, New Mexico, and even PA or Michigan.
Can you explain that?
Yet again, it is eleven months before anyone even casts a caucus vote in Iowa. Yet you act like we only have two choices now. Absurd.
And then he has the pickup of independents and even some Ds.
Yet again, how will Rudy pick up the key swing vote block of Catholic pro-life Dems? That group was critical for Bush in Ohio in 2004. And don't even get me started on the problems Rudy will have with the NRA block.
In other words, the situation is not nearly so dire as you fantasize.
Quite the contrary, you are living in a fantasy world devoid of any study of recent political history. Which is pointed out by the very contradictions in your own posts.
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