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Poll Shows Leftist Liberal Republican Nominee Likely to Split GOP
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Posted on 02/15/2007 11:25:14 AM PST by azhenfud

Just as the title says.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: duncanhunter; elections; fauxpasgop; giuliani; medialies; partysplitter; poll
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To: NittanyLion

There is a wonderful conservative to support.
There are those who support Duncan Hunter, and those who seem to be using him and threatening third party if he doesn't win the primary.

The primary and the general are two very different elections.

I do not believe Hunter advocates third party.


201 posted on 02/15/2007 2:18:49 PM PST by b9 ("America is great because America is good." ~ Duncan Hunter)
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To: Antoninus
Excellent statement. Those who think Rudy is going to magically capture the conservative base are either deluding themselves or are Hillary water-carriers.

I'd be curious to know if any of these folks ever ran a business. They sound like the type that would smugly deride their "stupid" customers for buying the competitor's "inferior" product, while never considering the fact that their own product is defective.

202 posted on 02/15/2007 2:19:27 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: OMalley
"I realize I live in a pretty red state, but FR seems moderate compared to what I hear from conservatives in this part of the country LOL"

You, my fellow FReeper, live in a very conservative part of the country (Wyoming, I see from your profile) compared to the political spectrum of the rest of the nation. Consider yourself blessed.

An Old West saying was: “Where men are men and women are glad of it.” That describes Wyoming pretty well in my opinion. I spent many wonderful summer days on vacation in Wyoming as a boy growing up. It's a beautiful state with great people.

203 posted on 02/15/2007 2:19:33 PM PST by Unmarked Package (Amazing surprises await us under cover of a humble exterior.)
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To: doodlelady
There is a wonderful conservative to support. There are those who support Duncan Hunter, and those who seem to be using him and threatening third party if he doesn't win the primary.

I agree - Hunter would be a good choice. I just wish he had some executive experience. IMO the best choice is Mark Sanford, but he's made his intentions clear.

The primary and the general are two very different elections.

Be that as it may, a significant portion of the base will not vote for a social liberal. And they can't be made to vote for the social liberal by casting out scary images of a President Hillary; that was the strategy in 2006 and it failed miserably.

You can call it stupid, shortsighted, arrogant, etc. But it won't change the simple reality of my statement.

And if by chance this candidate does win, folks had better consider the down-ticket races. Do you think Congress is likely to become more conservative when large groups of conservatives sit the election out?

204 posted on 02/15/2007 2:23:48 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: OMalley
If we elect Rudy, we will never ever get another true conservative. We will essentially have told the party that this is what we want (liberal R's).

That's what blows my mind about the 'conservatives' who have thrown up their hands and are supporting Rudy at this point in the election cycle.

If he wins the primary, then yes, vote for him in the general election. But why not support a good conservative candidate in the primary?

The 'name recognition' argument doesn't hold water. If a good, conservative candidate wins the primary, his/her name would become recognized.

205 posted on 02/15/2007 2:25:07 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Antoninus

What are you talking about? You don't think the headline is misleading?


206 posted on 02/15/2007 2:25:41 PM PST by soccermom
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To: doodlelady
There are those who support Duncan Hunter, and those who seem to be using him and threatening third party if he doesn't win the primary. The primary and the general are two very different elections. I do not believe Hunter advocates third party.

You're right. Hunter would never go third party. He's a loyal Republican.

I am a conservative first and a Republican second. I bring up the spectre of a third party because I see it as a real threat that needs to be considered. A third party candidate running to Rudy's right would bleed the GOP white in a national election.

Personally, I don't support a third party. I don't want there to be a third party candidate in 2008. I have never voted third party in a presidential election. But I WILL NOT vote for Rudy Giuliani under any circumstances. If you want a liberal in the White House, you vote for him.
207 posted on 02/15/2007 2:28:19 PM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope" -Duncan Hunter)
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To: soccermom
What are you talking about? You don't think the headline is misleading?

Nope. I think it's spot on.
208 posted on 02/15/2007 2:28:55 PM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope" -Duncan Hunter)
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To: NittanyLion
And if by chance this candidate does win, folks had better consider the down-ticket races. Do you think Congress is likely to become more conservative when large groups of conservatives sit the election out?

It would be a bloodbath of epic proportions....
209 posted on 02/15/2007 2:30:07 PM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope" -Duncan Hunter)
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To: NittanyLion
You can call it stupid, shortsighted, arrogant, etc.

Please don't misquote.
I said selfish, irresponsible and suspect to vote third party.

Duncan Hunter does NOT advocate nonvotes or third party.
I do not believe any so-called supporter of his who claims otherwise.

210 posted on 02/15/2007 2:32:44 PM PST by b9 ("America is great because America is good." ~ Duncan Hunter)
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To: Antoninus
It would be a bloodbath of epic proportions....

No question about it. We're told that if conservatives sit this one out the moderates will more than make up for it. But how many congressional races were within a 10% margin of victory? Because if conservatives sit this one out that's how many races will be won by the Dems.

And that's just at the polls. Who's going to write the donations, walk the precincts or man the phone banks? Moderates don't do that work - the base does.

211 posted on 02/15/2007 2:34:40 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: doodlelady
Please don't misquote. I said selfish, irresponsible and suspect to vote third party.

I wasn't quoting you - I was paraphrasing posts I've seen made on this forum.

Duncan Hunter does NOT advocate nonvotes or third party. I do not believe any so-called supporter of his who claims otherwise.

I never said he did. I'm talking about the individual actions of millions of voters here - not Hunter's views on the subject.

212 posted on 02/15/2007 2:36:22 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Antoninus
I am a conservative first and a Republican second.

I am an American first. That's why I support Hunter. I will not argue the general before the primary.

213 posted on 02/15/2007 2:37:11 PM PST by b9 ("America is great because America is good." ~ Duncan Hunter)
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To: Antoninus; Zeroisanumber
Out of the 60-odd judges that Rudy appointed in NYC as mayor, he only appointed two Republicans

The mayor does not directly select judges in NYC, candidates are selected and reviewed by the Mayor's Committee and the New York City Bar Association. All judicial candidates go through the same process whether it be for Family, Criminal, or CIvil Courts.

214 posted on 02/15/2007 2:39:18 PM PST by DKNY ("You may have to fight a battle more than once to win it." --Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Antoninus

OK, for starters, the "poll" is about as unscientific as it could be. The only way you could get a less scientific poll would be to go to the campaign hq for one of the hopefuls and ask their staff to respond to the questions. To extrapolate from that a "split" of the GOP is preposterous and disingenuous. It is also unhelpful if we are presented with misleading information. As for the characterizations in the headline, there is a big difference between a "leftist" and a "liberal". "Liberal" is a relative term. "Leftist" describes and ideology. There are certainly plenty of moderate and liberal Republicans. I don't know of any "leftist" Republicans.


215 posted on 02/15/2007 2:41:49 PM PST by soccermom
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To: DKNY
"The mayor does not directly select judges in NYC, candidates are selected and reviewed by the Mayor's Committee and the New York City Bar Association. All judicial candidates go through the same process whether it be for Family, Criminal, or CIvil Courts."

Who selects the Mayor's committee? Does the Mayor have any say at all in judges?
216 posted on 02/15/2007 2:45:04 PM PST by Beagle8U (Jimmy Carter changed me into a Republican.......R. W. Reagan made me DAMN proud of it!)
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To: NittanyLion

Dear NittanyLion,

"No question about it. We're told that if conservatives sit this one out the moderates will more than make up for it. But how many congressional races were within a 10% margin of victory? Because if conservatives sit this one out that's how many races will be won by the Dems."

Although I will not vote for Mr. Giuliani in the general election, I'll still show up on election day and will vote a straight Republican ticket below the presidency. If Mr. Giuliani wins the nomination (shudder), it may be incumbent on the part of conservatives to organize an effort that might be titled something like, "Whether You Abstain at the Top, Remember to Vote for the Rest."


sitetest


217 posted on 02/15/2007 2:45:13 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

What we really need is able new people. Steve Forbes or Jeb Bush would be preferable to any of the present candidates. Forbes may not be charismatic and Jeb has the wrong last name, but they are not as politically flawed as some.


218 posted on 02/15/2007 2:49:20 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: azhenfud
Non-Scientific Poll Waste of Time Thread Alert
219 posted on 02/15/2007 2:50:21 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: azhenfud
So? A conservative candidate would pull Reagan Dems from the left.

No RINOs.

220 posted on 02/15/2007 2:51:18 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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