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Putting Sandy Berger to the test (He refuses to take court ordered Lie Detector)
Michelle.Malkin.com ^ | 1/23/07 | Michelle Malkin

Posted on 01/23/2007 9:53:28 AM PST by teddyballgame

As the FNC story points out, the document-filching Clinton aide did agree to take a polygraph test as part of a plea deal reached in September 2005. Now, some GOP lawmakers want to know why the Justice Department won't follow through:

The Justice Department should administer a polygraph test to former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger to find out what documents he took from the National Archives in 2002 and 2003, Rep. Tom Davis wrote in a letter to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales dated Monday. Davis, ranking Republican on the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, is leading a group of 18 lawmakers who say the Justice Department has been "remarkably incurious" about Berger's decision to remove documents relating to the Sept. 11 commission's inquiry into his role in helping prevent terror attacks during the Clinton administration.

"It is extraordinarily important that the Justice Department avail itself of its rights under the plea agreement and administer a polygraph examination to Mr. Berger to question him about the extent of his thievery.

(Excerpt) Read more at michellemalkin.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: abledanger; berger; sandyberger
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To: teddyballgame

How can one "refuse" a court order?............


21 posted on 01/23/2007 10:05:43 AM PST by Red Badger (Rachel Carson is responsible for more deaths than Adolf Hitler...............)
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To: ExtremeUnction
Polygraphs are a joke. Voodoo police work.

What about Voice Stress Analysis?...........any good?.....

22 posted on 01/23/2007 10:07:29 AM PST by Red Badger (Rachel Carson is responsible for more deaths than Adolf Hitler...............)
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To: teddyballgame

But yet Skooter Libby has to stand trial for failing to remember someting exactly correct...

nOPE.. NO DOUBLE STANDARD IN WASHINGTON


23 posted on 01/23/2007 10:08:52 AM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: EagleUSA

oR IT MIGHT BE A HAND-WRITTEN NOTE SAYING "HEY BILL- WHAT ABOUT THIS OSAMA GUY?"


24 posted on 01/23/2007 10:10:44 AM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: ExtremeUnction

Maybe so, but national security orgs use polygraphs all the time. Polygraphs are very bad for police work because they don't work on sociopaths. The premise of using them for national security is that you presume that most people who have gotten to that point are not full sociopaths (I know, I know) and that the fear of a polygraph will lead them to reveal the truth voluntarily.


25 posted on 01/23/2007 10:12:42 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: teddyballgame

Don't you just get sick to your stomach of the Clinton gang thumbing their noses at the justice system and absolutely nothing happening to them?


26 posted on 01/23/2007 10:14:00 AM PST by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: saganite

"Don't you just get sick to your stomach of the Clinton gang thumbing their noses at the justice system and absolutely nothing happening to them?"

Rules? Rules? Those are for the other people.


27 posted on 01/23/2007 10:15:57 AM PST by teddyballgame (red man in a blue state)
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...

Sandy Berger and Able Danger.


'Brooklyn' was one of the covered up pieces of information about a jihadi cell.

When I first started FR, it was after 9/11. I didn't know how to save links and use keywords. So now I can't find the articles I know was posted on FR.

There was a contracting company working on the sprinkler system at the WTC.

I remember that contractor was from Brooklyn.

So, I went here to confirm it: http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1-4.pdf

There are even more 'go betweens'. They hired outside consultants to gather information which inserted another wall.

All that is in the documents are the consulting firms that went and made reports and not gathered information directly from the people involved.

Hence, I can't find the information on the contractor. Just the consulting firm that made a report on it.

So the 9/11 commission won't have the contracting firm from "Brooklyn" which would raise an eyebrow about the 'Brooklyn' notes on the documents Berger took.


28 posted on 01/23/2007 10:16:32 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Ole Okie
"This whole Plea agreement is a joke. Nobody appears to want to know what Burglar was doing or what he destroyed."

Yes. The Republicans wait until they have no power before demanding that the DOJ follow through on the plea agreement with Burglar; the Burglar refuses to keep his end of the agreement; the DOJ under a Republican President says "Fine with us."

Worse than a joke, but the Republicans, the DOJ, and Burglar all think they have fooled us. Does this remind anybody of the investigations into the treasonous leaks of info to the papers? The FBI is unable to investigate them because the agencies where the leaks occurred refuse to cooperate, and the FBI says, "Fine with us."

29 posted on 01/23/2007 10:17:49 AM PST by penowa (NO more Bushes; NO more Clintons EVER!)
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To: teddyballgame
The whole issue is a joke ESPICALLY the plea deal.

Justice dept is a joke too... really pathetic.

You KNOW there are democrat moles in there (like mary macarthy was at the CIA leaking all the stuff to the NYT)

There is just no reason how you can have Libby and Plame treated how they were compared to the way Burger was treated BY THE SAME JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, if they weren't corrupt.
30 posted on 01/23/2007 10:20:58 AM PST by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: teddyballgame

This whole thing is a farce. Berger should get the same consideration as Scooter Libby-a fair and public trial. He apparently knows where too many bodies are buried.


31 posted on 01/23/2007 10:22:00 AM PST by Spok
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To: AmishDude

I took a masters course in investigations and had an acquaintance who was a polograph examiner in Norfolk, VA. I had many discussions both in class and with this guy about the practice.

Basically, he said it was just another way to conduct an interogation. The purpose of the interview was to get a confession and not determine the truthfulness of a persons statements. He told me that he was evaluated on the number of confessions he got and nothing else. Basically, window dressing.


32 posted on 01/23/2007 10:27:02 AM PST by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: WhiteGuy

Actually, I was thinking it was a Geraldo Special where after an hour of air time build up, Geraldo opens Sandy Berger's pants to see exactly what might be hidden there.


33 posted on 01/23/2007 10:27:26 AM PST by rod1
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To: Belasarius

Yes, depending on the reaction to certain questions, you know which questions are causing the greatest physical reaction and you probe in that direction.


34 posted on 01/23/2007 10:31:17 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: Ouderkirk

Polygraphs are pseudo-scientific trash, with no real validity. It's a sign of their incompetence that so many police agencies put any faith in them. They are not accepted as evidence in court. Notice that Burglar himself agreed to take one. It's just possible that the Injustice Dept. doesn't want to bother because they think he might pass. However, it's more likely that that they want to shove the matter under the rug. Scumbags all around. The Washington insiders protecting themselves from us.


35 posted on 01/23/2007 10:34:29 AM PST by hellbender
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To: penowa

This situation is what causes people to lose confidence in the gov't. What difference is there between dems and repubs? They both are out to cover their behinds in the 9/11 investigation, there is enough blame to go around, but they agree to hide relevant information from the public. The 9/11 commission was a whitewsash, and only the few brave House members who are on to this get no media coverage, and are derided as partisan hacks. Disgusting


36 posted on 01/23/2007 10:37:22 AM PST by milwguy
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To: mom4kittys

Berger agreed to take the polygraph test as part of a plea bargain agreement. I could care less if it works or not, but if he is refusing to take the test he is in violation of his agreement and should be put in prison. It is up to him to prove that the test isn't reliable.


37 posted on 01/23/2007 10:43:17 AM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: milwguy

Has anyone even bothered to ask this Clinton rump swab WHY he detroyed the documents? I'm yet to hear an explanantion.


38 posted on 01/23/2007 10:44:02 AM PST by teddyballgame (red man in a blue state)
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To: TommyDale

The article states that the Justice Dept. is not following through.


39 posted on 01/23/2007 10:47:24 AM PST by mom4kittys (If velvet could sing, it would sound like Josh Groban)
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To: mom4kittys

I read the article, thanks.


40 posted on 01/23/2007 10:48:54 AM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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