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Details emerge of gunmen, posing as soldiers, attacking U.S. troops in Iraq
Real Cities ^ | Jan. 21, 2007 | Leila Fadel and Hussan Ali

Posted on 01/21/2007 4:19:49 PM PST by TexKat

KARBALA, Iraq - Chilling details emerged Sunday of gunmen posing as American and Iraqi soldiers in an ambush on U.S. troops in Karbala a day earlier that killed five Americans and wounded three.

On Saturday, a civil affairs team of American soldiers sat with local leaders in Karbala's provincial headquarters to discuss security for Ashoura, a Shiite commemoration of the massacre of the revered Imam Hussein that began Sunday.

Outside, danger was approaching. A convoy of seven white GMC Suburbans sped toward the building, breezing through checkpoints, with the men wearing American and Iraqi military uniforms and flashing American ID cards, Iraqi officials said. The force stopped at the police directorate in Karbala and took weapons but gave no reason, said police spokesman Capt. Muthana Ahmed in Babel province.

A call was made to the provincial headquarters to inform them an American convoy was on its way, said the governor of Karbala, Akeel al-Khazaali. But the Americans stationed inside the building, which acts as a coordination center for Iraqi officials, Iraqi security forces and U.S. forces, had not been informed, Iraqi officials said.

As the U.S. soldiers and the Iraqis scrambled to figure out if the men were Americans or an illegally armed group, the convoy arrived and the gunmen tried to break in.

The gunmen launched grenades, mortars and small arms fire, according to a U.S. military statement. The U.S. military said Sunday it was still not clear if the gunmen were Sunni or Shiite militia. Abu Abdullah, a commander in Karbala of the Mahdi Army, the militia led by firebrand Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, on Sunday denied involvement in the attack.

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Iraqi policemen man a checkpoint at the entrance of the holy city of Karbala, central Iraq. At least 25 US troops were killed across Iraq in one of the deadliest days for the American forces since the invasion began, as the military said 3,200 new troops had arrived to quell Baghdad violence.(AFP/Mohammed Sawaf)

1 posted on 01/21/2007 4:19:50 PM PST by TexKat
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To: TexKat
Leila Fadel and Hussan Ali

No thanks.

2 posted on 01/21/2007 4:21:19 PM PST by SolidWood (Sadr lives. Kill him.)
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To: jmc1969; Dog; SunkenCiv; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Marine_Uncle; La Enchiladita; Americanexpat; ...

Details emerge of gunmen, posing as soldiers, attacking U.S. troops in Iraq ping.


3 posted on 01/21/2007 4:25:37 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: SolidWood

Ok!


5 posted on 01/21/2007 4:26:15 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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If we lived in the real world this attack would be justification for a 'take no enemies' campaign by the American troops, meaning shoot to kill anyone that displays a weapon of any kind, and shoot to kill when any vehicle fails to stop at a check point. There should be NO free passes for any vehicle, let alone a convoy. That convoy should have been picked up and shadowed by gunship helicopters and destroyed the first time it attempted to bypass a checkpoint. Real American troops would have no qualms about stopping for a checkpoint.

Even the flashing of American ID's should not have allowed this to happen. The Americans in that meeting would be aware of any movement of our forces into their area and an American convoy acting like this would deserve to come under friendly fire.

The new rule has simply got to be to shoot first and ask questions later. No more Mr. Nice Guy, no more Good Cop. Give everyone, every sect, reason to fear for their safety if they are seen with weapons or in the judgment of OUR troops are acting in a threatening manner.

Time to invoke the "USS Vincennes" rule. If they act like enemy take at their word and react appropriately!
6 posted on 01/21/2007 4:46:52 PM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; dixiechick2000; Grampa Dave; Interesting Times; Liz; ...











  



  

7 posted on 01/21/2007 4:46:54 PM PST by devolve ( ........"refresh" my (updated) graphics posts)
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To: devolve

Very nice devolve!


8 posted on 01/21/2007 4:49:08 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: potlatch


Thanks potlatch!

That's my new "SNL-I'm-1/2-Black-Hillary.gif"

--

"Let's begin the (controlled) conversation....."

-- Hillary's website announcement

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"We going to take things from you on behalf of the common good....."

-- Hillary's San Francisco speech


9 posted on 01/21/2007 4:58:31 PM PST by devolve ( ........"refresh" my (updated) graphics posts)
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To: devolve

--

"I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants"
Hillary said February 2003 to an audience of WABC radio in New York.


She even suggested that her mind was open to the idea of a national ID "even for citizens.


10 posted on 01/21/2007 5:07:07 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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They should announce a policy of a death penalty for anyone pretending to be soldiers with the addition of being buried alive wearing a pigs head.

It worked 100 years ago....


11 posted on 01/21/2007 5:30:39 PM PST by wodinoneeye
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To: potlatch


Ah!

Excellent find potlatch!

I gotta save this one!

There must be an audio .mp3 somewhere!


12 posted on 01/21/2007 5:48:18 PM PST by devolve ( ........"refresh" my (updated) graphics posts)
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To: TexKat; Americanexpat

Placemark and ping. I'll be back shortly...


13 posted on 01/21/2007 5:50:24 PM PST by La Enchiladita (People get ready . . .)
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To: wodinoneeye

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.htm

There is a lot of interesting reading at this link, including links to a couple of old 1930s books on the fight against the Moros.


14 posted on 01/21/2007 5:51:26 PM PST by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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To: devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; dixiechick2000; bitt

Another accurate quote but I didn't save the source;

Hillary;
"People will be attacking you instead of your ideas, they may impugn your patriotism, they may even say you're angry. If they do that, wear it as a badge of honor"

I have a 'Notepad' with some very scary quotes from Hillary about childrearing. In the early '70's she was hired by Marian Edelman as a research assistant by the Carnegie Council on Children.

They started with the assumption that the triumph of the “universal entitlement state” was an inevitability, and the best thing Americans could do for their children was to hasten its arrival.

The chapter entitled, “Protection of Children Rights,” the section on which Hillary worked, observes that “it has become necessary for society to make some piecemeal accommodations to prevent parents from denying children certain privileges that society wants them to have.”

in November 1973 in the Harvard Educational Review, she advocated liberating our “child citizens” from the “empire of the father.”

In Hillary’s own words, “The basic rationale for depriving people of their rights in a dependency relationship is that certain individuals are incapable or undeserving of the right to take care of themselves and consequently need social institutions to safeguard their position…….. Along with the family, past and present examples of such arrangements include marriage, slavery, and the Indian reservation system.”

Hillary really does believe it "takes a Village" or perhaps we should just call it a commune!


15 posted on 01/21/2007 6:04:21 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: potlatch


I gotta save and follow these up

Nice work potlatch!


16 posted on 01/21/2007 6:09:25 PM PST by devolve ( ........"refresh" my (updated) graphics posts)
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To: devolve

If you are really interested in that I can copy the whole notepad for you as I left over half of the information out.

She really believes the 'state' should have control of children and that is very frightening.


17 posted on 01/21/2007 6:11:58 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: TexKat; devolve; potlatch

I thought we were going to have a thread to discuss Karbala but it has been hijacked.

Can't you photoshop people start your own thread?


18 posted on 01/21/2007 6:57:54 PM PST by La Enchiladita (People get ready . . .)
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To: La Enchiladita

I apologize La Dita!


19 posted on 01/21/2007 7:00:35 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: La Enchiladita; TexKat

This is very disturbing. It seems as if there must have been a fair amount of infiltration in advance, first of all, to know about the meeting, and secondly, to get all of the disguise material together. I can't imagine that US uniforms are casually passed around.

Furthermore, how did they convince the people at the checkpoints that they were Americans? I suppose that perhaps just the ID cards were sufficient to do it. But at one point it says that they stopped at a police station and collected the weapons. Do you suppose perhaps there was actually an American among them? Very creepy thought.


20 posted on 01/21/2007 7:04:08 PM PST by livius
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