Giuliani's Abortion Record Should Hearten Pro-Lifers

Human Events ^ | 1/18/20007 | Deroy Murdock

[Antoninus]

Poll after poll after friggin poll shows the base LIKES Rudy.

These polls are meaningless. Once the MSM Foleys up Rudy real good, the base will hate him. And they've got a TON of material to work with. And if you think the race-baiting against G. W. Bush was bad in 2000, you ain't seen nothin' yet....

[FreeInWV]

"No, the base doesn't make up 51% of the voting population. We have to be able to carry the independent swing voters. That was the lesson of 2006. I'm surprised at all fast that lesson has been forgotten."

No, but they are the ones who donate money, put signs in their yards, man the phones, campaign for a candidate and drive people to the polls. How many of your independent swing voters are gonna do that??

The lesson of 2006 was act like Republicans or lose your support.

[PhiKapMom]

I will be back to discuss this further but I have to go to grocery to stock up as 8-10 inches of snow are expected into our area starting tomorrow. Already bought propane this morning but now need to stock up on some others things and make sure that the wood is brought onto the front porch for the fireplace. Mundane things to do with a major storm coming in for the 2nd weekend in a row.

My deck still has 2 inches of ice and more in some places along with half my driveway and all of the walk. Walk in the grass and stomp your feet so you don't fall. You can go sledding down my hill with no sled it is that icy.

Back for further discussion later today!

[GulfBreeze]

I'm not a Rudy hater I just don't think he can win the Primary. And if he could, I don't think he could win the General.

The press may love his star power now but as soon as the primary is over he will be the GOP's sleeze bag (my idea of their take not necessarilly how I feel about him) night after night after night. I'm sorry, but sure, we understand divorce however when you're personal numbers affect the national statistic mmmmmm I don't know how that's gonna fly in a two year campaign.

[My GOP]

"Hunter, because he doesn't have to backpedal and lie to appeal to conservatives (and I don't mean people like you)."

Hunter can't win the general. Conservatives can't win the general by themselves. And I am a conservative.

[areafiftyone]

Apparently, a lot of posters here have no idea about what it takes to mount successful campaign.

EXACTLY!! I read that it is going to take $100 Million Dollars in 2008 to run a successful presidential campaign! Scary!!

[onyx]

I think the cost was more than that in 2000.

[My GOP]

"I'm sorry, but sure, we understand divorce however when you're personal numbers affect the national statistic mmmmmm I don't know how that's gonna fly in a two year campaign."

This is no shot at Ronald Reagan. I love Ronald Reagan. However he won despite being divorced and despite the fact Nancy was 3 months pregnant when they got married.

[Blackirish]

Once the MSM Foleys up Rudy real good

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Rudy ain't no George Allen. The NYTimes was anti-Rudy all the time.

He will take on the MSM just fine. He's been there done that.

[GulfBreeze]

Wrong...

[Beagle8U]

"“I don’t like abortion,” Giuliani said in South Carolina’s The State newspaper last November 21. “I don’t think abortion is a good thing. I think we ought to find some alternative to abortion, and that there ought to be as few as possible.” "

As an update to Rudy's previous statement on abortion...Rudy vowed to "never personally" get an abortion should he get the nomination, an unnamed spokesman disclosed./ sarc. (kinda)

[GulfBreeze]

Nancy wasn't Reagan's 4th wife...

[My GOP]

The base turned out in 2006. It was the moderates, independents, and libertarians that turned on us. Lets not have that happen again in 2008.

[PhiKapMom]

What brought that word to mind goes back to when my oldest daughter was in high school. They always held a contest for Miss BHS who was actually a football player dressed as a girl for one of the homecoming events. This linebacker in one of her classes shouts out when they told him that he had to dress up like a girl for the competition -- "I am a homophobe" and then a few choice words to say why he wouldn't dress up as a girl.

Everytime I see comments on here like today, it reminds me of her classmate and I laugh all over again. One of the guys who did dress up kept going up to him 'flirting' and he got furious. His fellow students had a ball with it as he never lived it down.

[Mr. Silverback]

i AM FOR LIFE BUT I AM AGAINST GOVERNMENT BEING THE ARBITRATOR OF WHETHER IT SHOULD EXIST.

OK. I'll be coming by to shoot you later. Meet me at the door--I'm bringing my twelve guage, so as long as you don't run it will be quick and painless. When the cops arrive, I will show them your post and they will tip their hat and let me go on my way. After all, they wouldn't want to be the arbiter of whether you exist or not.

Just kidding!

Get the point? If a fetus is a person (and for those of us who live in the real world where science exists, it is) then the fact that he or she is in the womb has nothing to do with whether someone should be able to kill them.

[My GOP]

And Judith Nathan isn't Giuliani's 4th either :)

[Rudder]

When does a child in the womb's God Given and FEDERALLY guaranteed right become an unimportant issue?

When the woman carrying it decides to abort it.

Remember, only women can stop abortion.

[Antoninus]

I'll vote for whoever the GOP nominee is. I'll do anything to keep Hillary and Obama out of the White House. How about you?

I don't vote for liberals. If the GOP puts up a liberal, I won't vote for him/her. The party affiliation of said liberal means next-to-nothing to me.

And there's the crux of your problem. Folks like you will pull the lever for whoever the nominee is. The social conservatives expect the GOP to nominate a bona fide conservative and won't accept a liberal with a track-record pretending to be conservative.

Now, the question remains--do you berate people like me for our principles, further alienating us, or simply come to the conclusion that there must be a better candidate out there who can unite and fire up the base?

I know what the "common sense" answer is. I wonder if the Rudy-boosters do...

[dirtboy]

That's the strangest analogy I've ever heard and how it relates to politics, I have no idea.

Easy. The MSM is fractured. Audiences are fractured. The old political media model is shifting. Candidates such as Rudy will need tens of millions of dollars to achieve diminishing returns to convince the base to vote for them in the primary. Candidates such as Hunter will draw supporters more through non-traditional channels - because no hard-sell is needed. Dean followed this strategy and did well initially - he lost it with the famous shriek, not due to any inherent failings in his plan.

Once Hunter shows some strength, he will then start to draw more money.

[PhiKapMom]

The Lust for money is the root of all evil and you can not legislate morality.

BINGO!