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Skull suggests human-Neanderthal link (found in a cave in Romania)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 1/15/07 | Randolph E. Schmid - ap

Posted on 01/15/2007 4:48:07 PM PST by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - A skull found in a cave in Romania includes features of both modern humans and Neanderthals, possibly suggesting that the two may have interbred thousands of years ago.

Neanderthals were replaced by early modern humans. Researchers have long debated whether the two groups mixed together, though most doubt it. The last evidence for Neanderthals dates from at least 24,000 years ago.

The skull bearing both older and modern characteristics is discussed in a paper by Erik Trinkaus of Washington University in St. Louis. The report appears in Tuesday's issue of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The skull was found in Pestera cu Oase — the Cave with Bones — in southwestern Romania, along with other human remains. Radiocarbon dating indicates it is at least 35,000 years old and may be more than 40,000 years old.

The researchers said the skull had the same proportions as a modern human head and lacked the large brow ridge commonly associated with Neanderthals. However, there were also features that are unusual in modern humans, such as frontal flattening, a fairly large bone behind the ear and exceptionally large upper molars, which are seen among Neanderthals and other early hominids.

"Such differences raise important questions about the evolutionary history of modern humans," said co-author Joao Zilhao of the University of Bristol, England.

It could reflect a case in which ancient traits reappear in a modern human, or it could indicate a mixture of populations, Zilhao said. Or it simply may be that science hasn't been able to study enough early modern people to understand their diversity.

Dr. Richard Potts of the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History noted that the skull represents the earliest modern human ever found in Europe.

It's a big deal in that sense, he said, but the combination of characteristics don't necessarily indicate interbreeding between populations.

Overall there is no strong evidence for mixing of Neanderthal and modern human populations and "this doesn't add any," said Potts, who wasn't part of the research team.

None of the features cited as unusual in modern humans is exclusively Neanderthal, Potts said. Rather, they could be features passed down from earlier populations in Africa.

The field work that uncovered the skull was conducted in 2004 and 2005.

Meanwhile, a research team led by Svante Paabo of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, is trying to map the Neanderthal genome in hopes of better understanding any possible relationship to modern people.

The research was funded by the U.S. National Science Foundation, the Wenner-Green Foundation, Washington University, the Leakey Foundation, the Portuguese Institute of Archaeology, the Royal Belgian Institute of Natural Science, the Romanian National Council for Academic Research and the Foundation Fyssen.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: eriktrinkaus; godsgravesglyphs; neanderthals; pesteracuoase; skull; trinkaus
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To: Dysart
Redheads 'Are Neanderthal'
21 posted on 01/15/2007 5:16:59 PM PST by blam
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To: NormsRevenge

Here we go with this again....


22 posted on 01/15/2007 5:17:20 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: blam
... Mrs. Lurkin's relatives ....
23 posted on 01/15/2007 5:21:04 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: My2Cents
"Judging from the gaping hole in his skull, is it safe to say he didn't die of natural causes?"

That's right, he's the dad. They also found a large pile of empty beers gourds near the fire pit. Investigators theorize he was thumped for refusing to take out the garbage.

24 posted on 01/15/2007 5:21:43 PM PST by spunkets
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To: NormsRevenge

Possibly; suggesting; maybe. She loves me, she loves me not. Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


25 posted on 01/15/2007 5:22:32 PM PST by gedeon3
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To: BenLurkin
"... Mrs. Lurkin's relatives ...."

LOL. Keep that up and you'll have to change your name to BenDead, lol.

26 posted on 01/15/2007 5:25:08 PM PST by blam
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To: My2Cents
Judging from the gaping hole in his skull, is it safe to say he didn't die of natural causes?

Depends. You'd have to check for radial fractures and all sorts of other evidence of trauma.

The abstract for the 2003 article doesn't mention trauma so its more likely that the skull was damaged after death:

The 2002 discovery of a robust modern human mandible in the Petera cu Oase, southwestern Romania, provides evidence of early modern humans in the lower Danubian Corridor. Directly accelerator mass spectrometry radiocarbon (14C)-dated to 34,000–36,000 14C years B.P., the Oase 1 mandible is the oldest definite early modern human specimen in Europe and provides perspectives on the emergence and evolution of early modern humans in the northwestern Old World. The moderately long Oase 1 mandible exhibits a prominent tuber symphyseos and overall proportions that place it close to earlier Upper Paleolithic European specimens. Its symmetrical mandibular incisure, medially placed condyle, small superior medial pterygoid tubercle, mesial mental foramen, and narrow corpus place it closer to early modern humans among Late Pleistocene humans. However, its cross-sectional symphyseal orientation is intermediate between late archaic and early modern humans, the ramus is exceptionally wide, and the molars become progressively larger distally with exceptionally large third molars. The molar crowns lack derived Neandertal features but are otherwise morphologically undiagnostic. However, it has unilateral mandibular foramen lingular bridging, an apparently derived Neandertal feature. It therefore presents a mosaic of archaic, early modern human and possibly Neandertal morphological features, emphasizing both the complex population dynamics of modern human dispersal into Europe and the subsequent morphological evolution of European early modern humans. Source


27 posted on 01/15/2007 5:30:49 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Genesis 6

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.


28 posted on 01/15/2007 5:40:44 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: blam

Knock that off, Blam.





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29 posted on 01/15/2007 5:52:47 PM PST by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.......)
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To: Raycpa

Ya know, it's one thing being called a Neanderthal but now you're calling us Nephilim?



LOL!


30 posted on 01/15/2007 5:55:13 PM PST by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.......)
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To: Raycpa
I have often wondered about that passage in Genesis as well as Genesis 6:2. They puzzle me.

"The sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair; and they took wives for themselves from those who were pleasing to them."

Who were the sons of God that they should look upon the daughters of men? It seems as if this sentence is saying that they were not men. Then who were they?
Quite a lot could be interpreted from that sentence.

31 posted on 01/15/2007 5:57:25 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Crime cannot be tolerated. Criminals thrive on the indulgences of society's understanding.)
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To: NormsRevenge
say "Hi" to your sister.....

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32 posted on 01/15/2007 6:02:46 PM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: My2Cents
Image hosted by Photobucket.com tooo damn funny...
33 posted on 01/15/2007 6:02:49 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: My2Cents

I suspect that happened after the fact, when neolithic stoners modified the skull for use as a bong.


34 posted on 01/15/2007 6:09:35 PM PST by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: lesser_satan
when neolithic stoners modified the skull for use as a bong

Dude Man.

36 posted on 01/15/2007 6:27:21 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: My2Cents
LOL, Amsterdam Man, aka Homo Amsterdamus
38 posted on 01/15/2007 6:34:35 PM PST by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I seem to remember similar stories from Greece before the flood, with the Titans and Gods warring. Where are those histories written?


39 posted on 01/15/2007 6:36:20 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy (It's a fight to the death with Democrats.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Who were the sons of God that they should look upon the daughters of men?

I recently heard the explanation that makes the most sense to me by a theologian (I think it was Dr. R. C. Sproul)

He demonstrated they were not angels. He said the daughters of men were descendants of Cain while the sons of God were not. The mixture of Cain's nature with the other descendants was the precursor to the need for the flood.

I found his explanation fascinating and need to reflect on it more.

40 posted on 01/15/2007 6:40:08 PM PST by Raycpa
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