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Climate change killed golden civilisations
The Sunday Times ^ | 1/07/07 | Michael Sheridan

Posted on 01/06/2007 6:21:49 PM PST by melt

NEW research suggests that climate change led to the collapse of the most splendid imperial dynasty in China’s history and to the extinction of the Maya civilisation in Central America more than 1,000 years ago. There has never been a satisfactory explanation for the decline and fall of the Tang emperors, whose era is viewed as a highpoint of Chinese civilisation, while the disappearance of the Maya world perplexes scholars.

Now a team of scientists has found evidence that a shift in monsoons led to drought and famine in the final century of Tang power. The weather pattern may also have spelt doom for the Maya in faraway Mexico at about the same time, they say.

Both ruling hierarchies at the start of the 10th century were victims of poor rainfall and starvation among their peoples when harvests failed.

The martial arts honed during the fall of the Tang still provide a staple of modern Chinese epic films and video games, while Mel Gibson, the actor-director, has just released Apocalypto, a blood-drenched film set in the last days of the Maya.

The Maya practised human sacrifices to please the gods of rain and Chinese soothsayers were employed by the court to divine the seasons, yet neither could have predicted the slow-motion catastrophe resulting from the changing weather.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: china; climate; climatechange; globalwarming; godsgravesglyphs; mayans; servitude; taxes
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I wonder if they carbon-dated the ancient Chinese & Mayan SUV's they dug up?
1 posted on 01/06/2007 6:21:50 PM PST by melt
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To: melt
This was before telecomm convergence. All the dang SMOKE SIGNALS of the era depleted the ozone layer and voila!
2 posted on 01/06/2007 6:25:55 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

LOL


3 posted on 01/06/2007 6:29:27 PM PST by onyx (DONATE NOW! -- It takes DONATIONS to keep FR running!!)
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To: melt
They were both small people so they drove only compact SUV's with a minimal pollution impact.

Besides, a long term Bermuda High that came up in the wrong place knocked off the Mayan.

Winters in the SE United States would have been exceptionally warm and humid for the multi-hundred year duration of that anomaly.

That's probably why all the "locals" pulled back up the Mississippi, Tennesse, and Chattahoochee into the Ohio/Missouri Valleys.

This allowed a major invasion by South American and Caribbean Indians into the Gulf States just prior to the arrival of the Spanish.

Something similar happened to Puerto Rico, et al, where the local Indians had recently been conquered by the Caribs who killed all the males and took the women as slaves.

That was one heck of a weather system that caused everybody lots of problems.

4 posted on 01/06/2007 6:30:28 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: melt
The Maya practised human sacrifices to please the gods of rain and Chinese soothsayers were employed by the court to divine the seasons, yet neither could have predicted the slow-motion catastrophe resulting from the changing weather.

Fortunately we have technology that's light years ahead of anything they could have dreamed of.
5 posted on 01/06/2007 6:30:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: melt

It's all because Bush did not sign Kyoto


6 posted on 01/06/2007 6:31:08 PM PST by Always Right
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To: cripplecreek

But since ROE, we're back into human sacrifices.


7 posted on 01/06/2007 6:34:13 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Always Right
It's all because Bush did not sign Kyoto

Yes, it's an outrage. And after 1000 years, the Chinese still refuse to sign Kyoto.

8 posted on 01/06/2007 6:34:36 PM PST by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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To: melt

Global warmth generated by all those Rickshaw boys farting and breathing heavy.


9 posted on 01/06/2007 6:34:50 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (Peace through strength.)
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To: melt

I wonder if they carbon-dated the ancient Chinese & Mayan SUV's they dug up?


It wasn't just those, it was the coal fired electric power plants.


10 posted on 01/06/2007 6:35:23 PM PST by freedomfiter2 ("Modern, bureaucratic, unionized education is a form of intellectual child abuse." Newt Gingrich)
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To: melt

"There has never been a satisfactory explanation for the decline and fall of the Tang emperors,"

So the religion of the left thought they could make one up.


11 posted on 01/06/2007 6:36:36 PM PST by Patrick1
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To: melt

Sigh. More gloom and doom from the "scientists." Seriously, these guys are giving all of us technical folk a bad name.

So what if climate shifts? Just adapt. What ever happened to "when life hands you lemons, make lemonade"?

We humans have the power of mathematics, science, and technology. This earth is under our dominion. However, our inventions and discoveries are useless if we are not willing to use them to support the continued existence of our civilization. Yes, protect the earth, but don't overprotect the earth to our detriment. It's called good stewardship.


12 posted on 01/06/2007 6:36:52 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * Allen for U.S. Senate in '08)
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To: melt

I thought the Tang still has plenty of power.


13 posted on 01/06/2007 6:36:55 PM PST by fat city (What part of cognitive dissonance don't you understand?)
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To: melt
Climate change killed golden civilisations

Climate variations have always affected harvests. But there is nothing to suggest that man has ever been able to affect the weather. He has, in the past, taken too much water from aquifers for them to replenish, polluted the water, killed enough wild game to make them extinct, and so on. But the weather? You might as well try to affect the rotation of the planets.

14 posted on 01/06/2007 6:37:31 PM PST by Zhang Fei
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To: cripplecreek

And yet we still can’t predict the weather more than two days in advance.


15 posted on 01/06/2007 6:38:28 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Zhang Fei

Natural climate change has clearly affected civilization but we continue to survive not because we change the climate but because we adapt to it.


16 posted on 01/06/2007 6:40:00 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: melt; Peanut Gallery

Hamarabbi's Fault.


17 posted on 01/06/2007 6:40:18 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Why bifocals? Font inflation. Today's 14 point is the same as 2 point was in 1957.)
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18 posted on 01/06/2007 6:40:35 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: sgtbono2002
Global warmth generated by all those Rickshaw boys farting and breathing heavy.

And the Mayans hadn't even invented the wheel, so their Rickshaws must have been pretty bumpy, as well as smelly.

19 posted on 01/06/2007 6:42:03 PM PST by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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To: melt

Film at 1100 plus days ago.

Climate Change Killed off Maya Civilization, Study Says

Stefan Lovgren
for National Geographic News
March 13, 2003
 

20 posted on 01/06/2007 6:43:24 PM PST by Radix (There is no Allah in Valhalla)
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